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[smithpa7]

For those of you too young to remember, every, I repeat every, Labour Government since WW2 has left office with the country's economy in dire straits. This simply cannot be a coincidence. Oh, and by the way, the 'Government' does not have any money of its own, it's yours, and all Public spending comes out of your pockets.

End of rant, oh, and no I didn't vote Tory.

I agree with everything you have said, except I did vote Tory. Some may say it is a wasted vote in Newcastle, but I must vote for who I Believe in.

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

looks like 2013 - 2015 is where the big cuts in public sector spending start biting 

what increasingly annoys me is this mantra about "the mess Labour left us in" funnily enough I do recall Cameron pledged to match Labours spending pound for pound so what mess are we in that the Tories would have avoided - they admitted thy would have spent the same? 

thats the real smoke and mirrors, that and the fact everyone seems to forget it was a global financial collapse precipitated by unregulated casino bankers playing fast and loose with someone elses money 


I'm also wondering when in history cutting public spending has led us out of a recession? anyone? 

i agreed we needed to cut our cloth, but now I genuinely feel that this Tory government (you can call it a Lib/Tory alliance but funnily enough the Libs promises were swept away(student fees, cutting too early) whilst the Tories held on to many of theirs(universal benefits for example)) is making cuts based on ideology rather than good fiscal policy, they've had their eye on decimating the public sector for decades - this financial disaster is the perfect excuse 

never
trust
a
tory 

"unemployment is a price worth paying".....we'll see

Norman "Badger"Lamont?.......I think

[Banjax]

looks like 2013 - 2015 is where the big cuts in public sector spending start biting 

what increasingly annoys me is this mantra about "the mess Labour left us in" funnily enough I do recall Cameron pledged to match Labours spending pound for pound so what mess are we in that the Tories would have avoided - they admitted thy would have spent the same? 

thats the real smoke and mirrors, that and the fact everyone seems to forget it was a global financial collapse precipitated by unregulated casino bankers playing fast and loose with someone elses money 


I'm also wondering when in history cutting public spending has led us out of a recession? anyone? 

i agreed we needed to cut our cloth, but now I genuinely feel that this Tory government (you can call it a Lib/Tory alliance but funnily enough the Libs promises were swept away(student fees, cutting too early) whilst the Tories held on to many of theirs(universal benefits for example)) is making cuts based on ideology rather than good fiscal policy, they've had their eye on decimating the public sector for decades - this financial disaster is the perfect excuse 

never
trust
a
tory 

"unemployment is a price worth paying".....we'll see

Norman "Badger"Lamont?.......I think

wasn't he a weasel? 

[Mysteryman]

You're both wrong. He was/is a idiot.

[Banjax]

You're both wrong. He was/is a idiot.

and yet he speaks so highly of you STMO

[Shackeng]

looks like 2013 - 2015 is where the big cuts in public sector spending start biting 

what increasingly annoys me is this mantra about "the mess Labour left us in" funnily enough I do recall Cameron pledged to match Labours spending pound for pound so what mess are we in that the Tories would have avoided - they admitted thy would have spent the same? 

thats the real smoke and mirrors, that and the fact everyone seems to forget it was a global financial collapse precipitated by unregulated casino bankers playing fast and loose with someone elses money 


I'm also wondering when in history cutting public spending has led us out of a recession? anyone? 

i agreed we needed to cut our cloth, but now I genuinely feel that this Tory government (you can call it a Lib/Tory alliance but funnily enough the Libs promises were swept away(student fees, cutting too early) whilst the Tories held on to many of theirs(universal benefits for example)) is making cuts based on ideology rather than good fiscal policy, they've had their eye on decimating the public sector for decades - this financial disaster is the perfect excuse 

never
trust
a
tory 

"unemployment is a price worth paying".....we'll see

There is nothing like an objective comment to improve a debate................................................................................................................................................................................ and that is nothing like an objective comment. :-?

[Nickbat]

they've had their eye on decimating the public sector for decades - this financial disaster is the perfect excuse 

We don't have, sadly, a conservative government, but at least this lot - whoever they may be - still see the sense of reducing the bloated public sector, many parts of which (though not all) are parasitical: living off the sweat and tears of the workers in the private sector.

Remember, the government takes money off us largely without our consent, then spends it in ways which are largely without our consent.    

[Entwood]

Lets get a few things straight ....

The Government has no money of its own .. it merely redistributes what it takes from us ... so those who say "The goverment should pay" actually mean - "you should pay for me"

All the bleating about loss of jobs reducing the "tax take" and costing money is absolute rubbish .. reality ... a government employee on £30,000 a year will pay about £10,000 a year in tax ... so costing the taxpayer a net £20,000 a year. If that person is unemployed they will cost around £10,000 in benefits. A net saving to the taxpayer (you and me) of £10,000. It is also likely that many of those will actually find work, so not drawing that £10,000 and still paying some tax ... so making even more savings for the taxpayer (you and me)

[Banjax]

There is nothing like an objective comment to improve a debate................................................................................................................................................................................ and that is nothing like an objective comment. :-?

you're right it is objective - so I'll rephrase it as a subjective comment based on the evidence gathered by every industry, every job and every community that was ever destroyed by the Tories.........oh - wait:

Never
Trust
A
Tory.

well what do you know? - it still fits  8-)



i trust this clears up the matter? 

[Dishevelled Den]

There is nothing like an objective comment to improve a debate................................................................................................................................................................................ and that is nothing like an objective comment. :-?

you're right it is objective - so I'll rephrase it as a subjective comment based on the evidence gathered by every industry, every job and every community that was ever destroyed by the Tories.........oh - wait:

Never
Trust
A
Tory.

well what do you know? - it still fits  8-)



i trust this clears up the matter? 

 
I don't think it does BJ as one's personal ideology often clouds the judgement when trying to decide just what party did what for the country.

[Banjax]

There is nothing like an objective comment to improve a debate................................................................................................................................................................................ and that is nothing like an objective comment. :-?

you're right it is objective - so I'll rephrase it as a subjective comment based on the evidence gathered by every industry, every job and every community that was ever destroyed by the Tories.........oh - wait:

Never
Trust
A
Tory.

well what do you know? - it still fits  8-)



i trust this clears up the matter? 

 
I don't think it does BJ as one's personal ideology often clouds the judgement when trying to decide just what party did what for the country.

but your personal ideology is formed by your experiences surely?
anyway - I'll judge by action and deed until someone comes up with a better way 

[Dishevelled Den]

There is nothing like an objective comment to improve a debate................................................................................................................................................................................ and that is nothing like an objective comment. :-?

you're right it is objective - so I'll rephrase it as a subjective comment based on the evidence gathered by every industry, every job and every community that was ever destroyed by the Tories.........oh - wait:

Never
Trust
A
Tory.

well what do you know? - it still fits  8-)



i trust this clears up the matter? 

 
I don't think it does BJ as one's personal ideology often clouds the judgement when trying to decide just what party did what for the country.

but your personal ideology is formed by your experiences surely?
anyway - I'll judge by action and deed until someone comes up with a better way 

Amongst other things BJ, however I would suggest that on past experience - especially over the recent past -  all political parties are unworthy of distrust.

[Banjax]

"anyone who wants to be a politician, should automatically be banned from ever being one"
or words to that effect
Billy Connolly


I think the problem with politicians in general Zulu, are these days they need to be young, ambitious and squeaky clean, which precludes anyone whos lived and enjoyed life or taken risks or made difficult decisions.....all you get these days is career politicians and policy wonks being promoted from within and hence have built little character or morals 

[Shackeng]

There is nothing like an objective comment to improve a debate................................................................................................................................................................................ and that is nothing like an objective comment. :-?

you're right it is objective - so I'll rephrase it as a subjective comment based on the evidence gathered by every industry, every job and every community that was ever destroyed by the Tories.........oh - wait:

Never
Trust
A
Tory.

well what do you know? - it still fits  8-)



i trust this clears up the matter? 

Obviously it does- in your opinion.

[Banjax]

There is nothing like an objective comment to improve a debate................................................................................................................................................................................ and that is nothing like an objective comment. :-?

you're right it is objective - so I'll rephrase it as a subjective comment based on the evidence gathered by every industry, every job and every community that was ever destroyed by the Tories.........oh - wait:

Never
Trust
A
Tory.

well what do you know? - it still fits  8-)



i trust this clears up the matter? 

Obviously it does- in your opinion.

its the only opinion i trust