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[Nickbat]

OK, hands up all those who thought the "government" will be spending less in the years to come.

You're wrong!

They will be increasing its spending every year from now until 2015.

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_budget_10.html

Smoke and mirrors. 

[Varche]

Smoke and mirrors indeed.

However for a growing economy no doubt they would argue that increased expenditure is necesary in order for the private sector to create all those jobs (in pizza hut and starbucks etc) for the displaced public sector workers.

[Banjax]

looks like 2013 - 2015 is where the big cuts in public sector spending start biting 

what increasingly annoys me is this mantra about "the mess Labour left us in" funnily enough I do recall Cameron pledged to match Labours spending pound for pound so what mess are we in that the Tories would have avoided - they admitted thy would have spent the same? 

thats the real smoke and mirrors, that and the fact everyone seems to forget it was a global financial collapse precipitated by unregulated casino bankers playing fast and loose with someone elses money 


I'm also wondering when in history cutting public spending has led us out of a recession? anyone? 

i agreed we needed to cut our cloth, but now I genuinely feel that this Tory government (you can call it a Lib/Tory alliance but funnily enough the Libs promises were swept away(student fees, cutting too early) whilst the Tories held on to many of theirs(universal benefits for example)) is making cuts based on ideology rather than good fiscal policy, they've had their eye on decimating the public sector for decades - this financial disaster is the perfect excuse 

never
trust
a
tory 

"unemployment is a price worth paying".....we'll see

[albitz]

Biggest load of nonsencical b****x I  have read for a long time.
your understanding of the real issues involved apparently knows no depths.

[Dishevelled Den]

looks like 2013 - 2015 is where the big cuts in public sector spending start biting 

what increasingly annoys me is this mantra about "the mess Labour left us in" funnily enough I do recall Cameron pledged to match Labours spending pound for pound so what mess are we in that the Tories would have avoided - they admitted thy would have spent the same? 

thats the real smoke and mirrors, that and the fact everyone seems to forget it was a global financial collapse precipitated by unregulated casino bankers playing fast and loose with someone elses money 


I'm also wondering when in history cutting public spending has led us out of a recession? anyone? 

i agreed we needed to cut our cloth, but now I genuinely feel that this Tory government (you can call it a Lib/Tory alliance but funnily enough the Libs promises were swept away(student fees, cutting too early) whilst the Tories held on to many of theirs(universal benefits for example)) is making cuts based on ideology rather than good fiscal policy, they've had their eye on decimating the public sector for decades - this financial disaster is the perfect excuse 

never
trust
a
tory 

"unemployment is a price worth paying".....we'll see

Irrespective of whether a Conservative government would have matched Labour's spending plans or not is moot - as they didn't - however Labour still has left the country on its arse whatever way you look at it.

thats the real smoke and mirrors, that and the fact everyone seems to forget it was a global financial collapse precipitated by unregulated casino bankers playing fast and loose with someone elses money

It is of course reasonable to state that, however the Labour administration in the form of the then Chancellor (later Premier) did absolutely blank all about it and sallied forth with spending and state enhancement while the flames of excess began to lick around the collective feet of us all while being ignorant to them or wilfully careless about it.

It's about the time Labour's bloated state was dismantled although I’m not depending on this present bunch doing much about it.

And, while we're ripping the pish out of the Bankers, please don't forget the excess of Whitehall, the welfare culture and the legions of those who enjoyed the credit revolution by spending beyond their means by using credit cards and cheap loans

[Banjax]

Biggest load of nonsencical b****x I  have read for a long time.
your understanding of the real issues involved apparently knows no depths.

what would like to have explained? 

[albitz]

 

[Banjax]

thought so - roll your eyes, keep schtum and people think you're a genius......good plan 

[Nickbat]

looks like 2013 - 2015 is where the big cuts in public sector spending start biting 

No, they're not cuts, they're reductions in rate of increase. Quite different, except to a leftie, that is. 

[Banjax]

looks like 2013 - 2015 is where the big cuts in public sector spending start biting 

No, they're not cuts, they're reductions in rate of increase. Quite different, except to a leftie, that is. 

I would love DC to start calling the cuts reductions in the rate of increase. 



"Cuts Prime Minister? No, no, no.....they're merely reductions in rates of increase....surely you see that?"
"Ah yes....of course Sir Humphrey." 

[Nickbat]

looks like 2013 - 2015 is where the big cuts in public sector spending start biting 

No, they're not cuts, they're reductions in rate of increase. Quite different, except to a leftie, that is. 

I would love DC to start calling the cuts reductions in the rate of increase. 



"Cuts Prime Minister? No, no, no.....they're merely reductions in rates of increase....surely you see that?"
"Ah yes....of course Sir Humphrey." 

I'm not defending DC, I think he is useless, but the point IS that these are not cuts. Check out the link from HM Treasury I gave at the start.

2010-11      696.8      696.8      0.0
2011-12      699.8      701.8      +2.0
2012-13      711.0      713.0      +2.0
2013-14      737.5      724.2      -13.3
2014-15      757.5      739.8      -17.7 

The first column (in £bn) is the June Budget, the second is the Spending Review amount and the third is the change.

Even you can surely see that the total spend increases from £698.8bn this year to £739.8bn in 2014/15. That is not a cut, but a reduction in the increase proposed in the June budget.

Maybe maths is not your strong point. 

[Banjax]

looks like 2013 - 2015 is where the big cuts in public sector spending start biting 

No, they're not cuts, they're reductions in rate of increase. Quite different, except to a leftie, that is. 

I would love DC to start calling the cuts reductions in the rate of increase. 



"Cuts Prime Minister? No, no, no.....they're merely reductions in rates of increase....surely you see that?"
"Ah yes....of course Sir Humphrey." 

I'm not defending DC, I think he is useless, but the point IS that these are not cuts. Check out the link from HM Treasury I gave at the start.

2010-11      696.8      696.8      0.0
2011-12      699.8      701.8      +2.0
2012-13      711.0      713.0      +2.0
2013-14      737.5      724.2      -13.3
2014-15      757.5      739.8      -17.7 

The first column (in £bn) is the June Budget, the second is the Spending Review amount and the third is the change.

Even you can surely see that the total spend increases from £698.8bn this year to £739.8bn in 2014/15. That is not a cut, but a reduction in the increase proposed in the June budget.

Maybe maths is not your strong point. 

that's arithmetic.


and semantics.
 

[markfree]

looks like 2013 - 2015 is where the big cuts in public sector spending start biting 

No, they're not cuts, they're reductions in rate of increase. Quite different, except to a leftie, that is. 

I would love DC to start calling the cuts reductions in the rate of increase. 



"Cuts Prime Minister? No, no, no.....they're merely reductions in rates of increase....surely you see that?"
"Ah yes....of course Sir Humphrey." 

I'm not defending DC, I think he is useless, but the point IS that these are not cuts. Check out the link from HM Treasury I gave at the start.

2010-11      696.8      696.8      0.0
2011-12      699.8      701.8      +2.0
2012-13      711.0      713.0      +2.0
2013-14      737.5      724.2      -13.3
2014-15      757.5      739.8      -17.7 

The first column (in £bn) is the June Budget, the second is the Spending Review amount and the third is the change.

Even you can surely see that the total spend increases from £698.8bn this year to £739.8bn in 2014/15. That is not a cut, but a reduction in the increase proposed in the June budget.

Maybe maths is not your strong point. 

that's arithmetic.


and semantics.
 

There are lies..............and damned lies...............and government statistics

[Mysteryman]

I don't care. I've got enough money to get by, so everyone else can break off.

[Shackeng]

For those of you too young to remember, every, I repeat every, Labour Government since WW2 has left office with the country's economy in dire straits. This simply cannot be a coincidence. Oh, and by the way, the 'Government' does not have any money of its own, it's yours, and all Public spending comes out of your pockets.

End of rant, oh, and no I didn't vote Tory.