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[waspy]

I've only just read this thread as I suspected it would mostly be full of what it was. I wasn't disappointed. So many issues.

I always said that folk who just drove cars ought to be made to drive a juggernaut, tractor, ride a motor/bike and and horse before being let loose on the roads.. Course it won't happen.

Most of the issues raised arise from two things.

1. Britain is a dog eat dog place where people haven't got a minute to spare and everyone feels they are the most important thing on the crowded road. You aren't.

2. Unfortunately people have become for whatever reason blind to the needs of others. For example a 70 year old man going home from visiting his sick mother inhospital has different needs from a 25 year old full of testosterone needing to get back home and change before going out on the pull/razz.

Going back to some practicalities. Juggernauts are limited to their speed but on a schedule from head office. So what if they pull out at 56 mph to overtake another juggernaut limited to 50 mph. You wait a few minutes then accelerate on. Your journey time is hardly hindered but theres would be.

Sadly there will always be bad driving. Folk happy to bumble on at 40 in a convoy nose to tale making ity impossible to overtake. They should leave a reasonable distance. Folk who when being overtaken leave their lights on dipped instead of main beam to help the overtaker. Folk who feel threatened by some lunatic who has been on his boot lid trying to get past for the last 3 miles with dodgy headlights or worse auxilliary lights too.

There I have said it an argument for the sitting at 40 man (or woman).

Oh and by the way since living here I have had to accept that you often get stuck behind vehicles travelling at 20 mph on open roads. I suspect they think they ar still riding a mule!!

That's one fast mule

[feeutfo]

I've only just read this thread as I suspected it would mostly be full of what it was. I wasn't disappointed. So many issues.

I always said that folk who just drove cars ought to be made to drive a juggernaut, tractor, ride a motor/bike and and horse before being let loose on the roads.. Course it won't happen.

Most of the issues raised arise from two things.

1. Britain is a dog eat dog place where people haven't got a minute to spare and everyone feels they are the most important thing on the crowded road. You aren't.

2. Unfortunately people have become for whatever reason blind to the needs of others. For example a 70 year old man going home from visiting his sick mother inhospital has different needs from a 25 year old full of testosterone needing to get back home and change before going out on the pull/razz.

Going back to some practicalities. Juggernauts are limited to their speed but on a schedule from head office. So what if they pull out at 56 mph to overtake another juggernaut limited to 50 mph. You wait a few minutes then accelerate on. Your journey time is hardly hindered but theres would be.

Sadly there will always be bad driving. Folk happy to bumble on at 40 in a convoy nose to tale making ity impossible to overtake. They should leave a reasonable distance. Folk who when being overtaken leave their lights on dipped instead of main beam to help the overtaker. Folk who feel threatened by some lunatic who has been on his boot lid trying to get past for the last 3 miles with dodgy headlights or worse auxilliary lights too.

There I have said it an argument for the sitting at 40 man (or woman).

Oh and by the way since living here I have had to accept that you often get stuck behind vehicles travelling at 20 mph on open roads. I suspect they think they ar still riding a mule!!

That's one fast mule

appart from the mule, and spotty yoof bit, what utter 'dangle berries'....?  :-?

hang on, let me read it again...

[feeutfo]

I've only just read this thread as I suspected it would mostly be full of what it was. I wasn't disappointed. So many issues.

I always said that folk who just drove cars ought to be made to drive a juggernaut, tractor, ride a motor/bike and and horse before being let loose on the roads.. Course it won't happen.

Most of the issues raised arise from two things.

1. Britain is a dog eat dog place where people haven't got a minute to spare and everyone feels they are the most important thing on the crowded road. You aren't.

2. Unfortunately people have become for whatever reason blind to the needs of others. For example a 70 year old man going home from visiting his sick mother inhospital has different needs from a 25 year old full of testosterone needing to get back home and change before going out on the pull/razz.

Going back to some practicalities. Juggernauts are limited to their speed but on a schedule from head office. So what if they pull out at 56 mph to overtake another juggernaut limited to 50 mph. You wait a few minutes then accelerate on. Your journey time is hardly hindered but theres would be.

Sadly there will always be bad driving. Folk happy to bumble on at 40 in a convoy nose to tale making ity impossible to overtake. They should leave a reasonable distance. Folk who when being overtaken leave their lights on dipped instead of main beam to help the overtaker. Folk who feel threatened by some lunatic who has been on his boot lid trying to get past for the last 3 miles with dodgy headlights or worse auxilliary lights too.

There I have said it an argument for the sitting at 40 man (or woman).

Oh and by the way since living here I have had to accept that you often get stuck behind vehicles travelling at 20 mph on open roads. I suspect they think they ar still riding a mule!!

That's one fast mule

appart from the mule, and spotty yoof bit, what utter 'dangle berries'....?  :-?

hang on, let me read it again...

....nope still 'dangle berries' 

sorry V, appologies for my rather abrupt reply, but i cant agree with that at all... :-?

[hotel21]

1. Britain is a dog eat dog place where people haven't got a minute to spare and everyone feels they are the most important thing on the crowded road. You aren't.

2. Unfortunately people have become for whatever reason blind to the needs of others. For example a 70 year old man going home from visiting his sick mother inhospital has different needs from a 25 year old full of testosterone needing to get back home and change before going out on the pull/razz.

Going back to some practicalities. Juggernauts are limited to their speed but on a schedule from head office. So what if they pull out at 56 mph to overtake another juggernaut limited to 50 mph. You wait a few minutes then accelerate on. Your journey time is hardly hindered but theres would be.

Sadly there will always be bad driving. Folk happy to bumble on at 40 in a convoy nose to tale making ity impossible to overtake. They should leave a reasonable distance. Folk who when being overtaken leave their lights on dipped instead of main beam to help the overtaker. Folk who feel threatened by some lunatic who has been on his boot lid trying to get past for the last 3 miles with dodgy headlights or worse auxilliary lights too.

I agree with pretty much the most of that.   

As for the highlit part, bear in mind that speed limiters on heavies are electro-mechanichal gizmo's and are subject to variations such as tyre size/tread depth as well as the calibration variables between machines, despite the best attempts of fitters with their rolling roads...   

Thus, a difference of 0.2 or 3 miles per hour on a long uphill pull means that one waggon wants in front of the other and takes their opportunity when presented.   I also see what Chrisgixer alludes to and do see similar regularly when clocking up the miles on the m/way network.

And to AndyB, when he presents the case for waggons cutting up those of us with pikey palaces hanging off the back....   

[Broomies Mate]

I have ALWAYS recommended that HGV vehicles (or any vehicle limited to a 'industry standard' speed) should be fitted with an overtaking button.

The industry knows that every vehicle cannot be callibrated to .1mph!

Why not give the drivers of these vehicles an option to press a button which will give them an extra 5mph for a pre-determined distance, say 2miles.... limit this feature for one 'spurt' every 20 or 30 miles. 

It will stop wagons from crawling past their compadre's for miles on end, forcing Mister Rover 414, complete with flat-cap and his already dead wife from hogging lane 3 at a constant 69.5mph. 

[feeutfo]

Ultimately, it's a matter of space, congestion, numbers on the roads, there simply isn't room. Everything else is a reaction/response to that is it not?


The further away from London, Birmingham, major citys and built up areas the easier it gets and the politer more easier going drivers are, unless your down Cornwall way in the summer holidays. Time and money and pressure to arrive on time all vanish when there's room on the roads, it's not a question of time for others in the first instance, take as long as you want to arrive, sit at 40 all day long for all I care, but drive to the conditions at the time where applicable, which may mean increasing speed to a heady 56mph....        ......stating the obvious now surely? We simply can't "drive how we want" and stuff everyone regardless. Be it an old duffer at 40 or a spotty yoof at 90, or an ignorant lorry driver swerving into lane 2 in the face of cars doing 80 or whatever in the middle lane...

... With that I shall herumpf off to bed    

[05omegav6]

Ah, good old road rage...

Chris, after taking your prozac, ponder this. Driving could be a lot less stressful if you try to bear in mind the following:

1. Anticipate the road ahead. ie If you know a hill is coming up, then get ready to change lanes before your forced to brake/swerve.
2. Whilst everyone else drives like a tw4t, take comfort from the fact that, although not perfect, you are at least trying not to. This alone will help your stress levels.
3. You drive an Omega and therefore have nothing to prove. 8-) BMWs, Audis and the like, are generally driven by people who think they've something to prove and therefore are constantly trying to prove that they are the sort of people who buy these cars. (no offence del).
4. The more worked up you get when you drive, the worse your driving gets.

Now where did I put my ovaltine?  :-/

[Del Boy]

It really does bug me, I've never understood the logic behind doing 40 in a 60, but it happens every day I go out 

Thing that bugs me is people pulling out of parking areas on the side of a single carriage way, I was going down one at 60 MPH in the van the other week when this Focus pulled right out on me and did about 30 MPH this of course sent me into a flashing headlight horn and every other thing rage, then they decided to follow me with their main beam on, I mean why? They're in the wrong yet they do something like that, I always find though these are the type of people that won't pull over for a chat.

[Del Boy]

Ah, good old road rage...

Chris, after taking your prozac, ponder this. Driving could be a lot less stressful if you try to bear in mind the following:

1. Anticipate the road ahead. ie If you know a hill is coming up, then get ready to change lanes before your forced to brake/swerve.
2. Whilst everyone else drives like a tw4t, take comfort from the fact that, although not perfect, you are at least trying not to. This alone will help your stress levels.
3. You drive an Omega and therefore have nothing to prove. 8-) BMWs, Audis and the like, are generally driven by people who think they've something to prove and therefore are constantly trying to prove that they are the sort of people who buy these cars. (no offence del).
4. The more worked up you get when you drive, the worse your driving gets.

Now where did I put my ovaltine?  :-/

I'm going to be honest here and say I totally agree that my driving gets a lot worse when I get road rage, for example people pulling out on me at roundabouts etc, I will sit as close as possible to their arse end that's another thing that bugs me too and I know i shouldn't do it but christ that winds me up. There is a mini roundabout bolt lookalike thing in Ashfords new shared space area and I'd say 40% of drivers still don't treat it as a roundabout 

[feeutfo]

Ah, good old road rage...

Chris, after taking your prozac, ponder this. Driving could be a lot less stressful if you try to bear in mind the following:

1. Anticipate the road ahead. ie If you know a hill is coming up, then get ready to change lanes before your forced to brake/swerve.
2. Whilst everyone else drives like a tw4t, take comfort from the fact that, although not perfect, you are at least trying not to. This alone will help your stress levels.
3. You drive an Omega and therefore have nothing to prove. 8-) BMWs, Audis and the like, are generally driven by people who think they've something to prove and therefore are constantly trying to prove that they are the sort of people who buy these cars. (no offence del).
4. The more worked up you get when you drive, the worse your driving gets.

Now where did I put my ovaltine?  :-/

so when this Lorry pulls into lane two where are you we assuming I am on the road as the resulting melay unfolds on this hill? Far too many presumptions in there Al, but over all your absolutely right IMO, I mean after 15 years on a bike I must be able to anticipate to some level or I'd have a lorries rear end parked in my face by now   

[feeutfo]

Ah, good old road rage...

Chris, after taking your prozac, ponder this. Driving could be a lot less stressful if you try to bear in mind the following:

1. Anticipate the road ahead. ie If you know a hill is coming up, then get ready to change lanes before your forced to brake/swerve.
2. Whilst everyone else drives like a tw4t, take comfort from the fact that, although not perfect, you are at least trying not to. This alone will help your stress levels.
3. You drive an Omega and therefore have nothing to prove. 8-) BMWs, Audis and the like, are generally driven by people who think they've something to prove and therefore are constantly trying to prove that they are the sort of people who buy these cars. (no offence del).
4. The more worked up you get when you drive, the worse your driving gets.

Now where did I put my ovaltine?  :-/

so when this Lorry pulls into lane two where are you we assuming I am on the road as the resulting melay unfolds on this hill? Far too many presumptions in there Al, but over all your absolutely right IMO, I mean after 15 years on a bike I must be able to anticipate to some level or I'd have a lorries rear end parked in my face by now   

And interestingly I actually encountered a polite BMW driver the other day    I thanked him, but doing so was painful, got to raise left arm, got to raise left arm, aaaaah. I don't get that pain thanking other drivers 

[aaronjb]

I mean after 15 years on a bike I must be able to anticipate to some level or I'd have a lorries rear end parked in my face by now   

 

And interestingly I actually encountered a polite BMW driver the other day    I thanked him, but doing so was painful, got to raise left arm, got to raise left arm, aaaaah. I don't get that pain thanking other drivers 

I was waiting for the 'and extended middle finger' but no.. you really did mean 'thank'

[Kevin Wood]

I was waiting for the 'and extended middle finger' but no.. you really did mean 'thank'

He did mean thank .. but unfortunately he's got this nervous twitch in his 3rd digit that's brought on by segments of white and blue paint, so it was all wasted.

Kevin

[feeutfo]

I was waiting for the 'and extended middle finger' but no.. you really did mean 'thank'

He did mean thank .. but unfortunately he's got this nervous twitch in his 3rd digit that's brought on by segments of white and blue paint, so it was all wasted.

Kevin

...how do you know me so well?   

No, I really did thank him, honest. Ooh, got a pain in my arm as I typed 

[05omegav6]

Far too many presumptions in there

Yeah, sorry about that. I should have included Lexus in the list.

Joking aside I wasn't feeling particularly concise last night. This should better sum up what I was getting at:

1. Anticipation. (of what might happen).
2. Awareness. (of what is happening around you).
3. Acceptance. (that people will drive bmws/audis/lexuses in an irritating manner).
4. Alertness. (so you are better able to react).
5. Acknowledgement. (people who let you out have chosen to, so say thank you).

That should help restore peace and harmony to a roundabout/middle lane/carpark near you in time for Christmas.

Also another couple of tips:
1. Pulling up so that you can still see the rear wheels of the car in front works regardless of what you are driving.
2. Make sure that the car behind you hits you before you've hit the car in front.

Be safe out there boys and girls.