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Author Topic: Bye, bye, Nimrod  (Read 1597 times)

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Bye, bye, Nimrod
« on: 09 December 2010, 22:08:41 »
Nine brand new Nimrod surveillance aircraft, which cost taxpayers £3.6 billion, will be dismantled and scrapped without ever having flown.

The aircraft can provide vital support for Vanguard submarines carrying Trident nuclear missiles, by detecting Russian hunter-killer subs trying to follow them. Without the Nimrods, Britain is likely to ask the US and France to provide such anti-submarine warfare capabilities in future.

Admiral Sir Mark Stanhope, the head of the Royal Navy has said he is “very uncomfortable” about the situation.

Yes, but he's not a bean-counter is he?

Sums-up the UK's superb defence procurement programme rather succinctly, methinks. :( >:(  ::)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/8191690/3.6-billion-Nimrods-dismantled-for-scrap.html
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Re: Bye, bye, Nimrod
« Reply #1 on: 09 December 2010, 22:27:30 »
and sadly thats whats it's resulted to, all the forces are controlled by pen pushers with calculators. :-X
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« Reply #2 on: 09 December 2010, 22:34:47 »
I am worried about the apparently cavalier attitude that this govt. has to the nations defence. I have long believed that we should stop assuming we are the worlds policeman, and that we should think a lot longer and harder before jumping on the bandwagon of everyone elses wars, but we must retain the capability to defend ourselves.If we have reached the point where we are relying on the French to defend us god help us :(
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« Reply #3 on: 09 December 2010, 22:42:15 »
The Nimrods are unneccesary and just a waste of money.  I'm glad they are being stripped.  Just hope the bloke running the weighbridge pays a fair price.

Detection of any Nuclear Sub can only be made when it is near or on the surface.... it's a visual detection.  You can do that with a £50,000 Cessna.

I cant say I'm happy about all the 'defence' cuts, but this one makes sense.
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« Reply #4 on: 09 December 2010, 22:43:00 »
Spot on Albs....  :y
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« Reply #5 on: 09 December 2010, 22:47:13 »
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The Nimrods are unneccesary and just a waste of money.  I'm glad they are being stripped.  Just hope the bloke running the weighbridge pays a fair price.

Detection of any Nuclear Sub can only be made when it is near or on the surface.... it's a visual detection.  You can do that with a £50,000 Cessna.

I cant say I'm happy about all the 'defence' cuts, but this one makes sense.

Quote from article: Nimrods, which fly from RAF Kinloss in Scotland, are equipped with long-range surveillance equipment for eavesdropping on communications and detecting movement.

Don't think this capability is mentioned in the Cessna brochure.  ::)
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Re: Bye, bye, Nimrod
« Reply #6 on: 09 December 2010, 22:47:54 »
Having flown Nimrod MR1s for several thousand hours, I am amazed that this Government believes that Great Britain no longer needs an airborne maritime surveillance capability, particularly in view of a resurgent Russian submarine force. I believe that, while recognising the dire economic position bequeathed us by Gordon Brown and merry men, the Government has either been extremely badly advised on this particular issue, or is completely ignorant as to what being an island nation means, or perhaps both. The development and construction costs for Nimrod MRA4 have already been spent. The decision is utter madness on all levels.
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Re: Bye, bye, Nimrod
« Reply #7 on: 09 December 2010, 22:50:04 »
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The Nimrods are unneccesary and just a waste of money.  I'm glad they are being stripped.  Just hope the bloke running the weighbridge pays a fair price.

Detection of any Nuclear Sub can only be made when it is near or on the surface.... it's a visual detection.  You can do that with a £50,000 Cessna.

I cant say I'm happy about all the 'defence' cuts, but this one makes sense.

Quote from article: Nimrods, which fly from RAF Kinloss in Scotland, are equipped with long-range surveillance equipment for eavesdropping on communications and detecting movement.

Don't think this capability is mentioned in the Cessna brochure.  ::)

Eavesdropping on communications eh?  Well, try to do that on an attack sub which is in it's 'stealth mode'.  No comms on-board, let alone to the outer world.

Check up on your facts before posting crap.
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Re: Bye, bye, Nimrod
« Reply #8 on: 09 December 2010, 22:51:21 »
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Having flown Nimrod MR1s for several thousand hours, I am amazed that this Government believes that Great Britain no longer needs an airborne maritime surveillance capability, particularly in view of a resurgent Russian submarine force. I believe that, while recognising the dire economic position bequeathed us by Gordon Brown and merry men, the Government has either been extremely badly advised on this particular issue, or is completely ignorant as to what being an island nation means, or perhaps both. The development and construction costs for Nimrod MRA4 have already been spent. The decision is utter madness on all levels.

Thanks, Shakeng. Not speculation, but from the horse's mouth, as they say. Totally agree!  :y :y :y
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« Reply #9 on: 09 December 2010, 22:58:06 »
Calm down Broomie ffs, we can have differing points of view without giving the admins a headache. ;)
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« Reply #10 on: 09 December 2010, 23:01:45 »
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Calm down Broomie ffs, we can have differing points of view without giving the admins a headache. ;)

Sorry.   I dont want to offend anyone.  Dont want to piss anyone off, but it really aggravates me how people will read a paper and think they know everything.  I'd happily educate the likes of BattyNick (or whatever his name is) on detection of Nuclear Subs (or the general impossibility of it) but I'm sure he is too busy in his office job, or whatever he does, to be interested.... unless it suits him of course.
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Re: Bye, bye, Nimrod
« Reply #11 on: 09 December 2010, 23:05:05 »
Let's by all means have a debate, but please don't get abusive. Thanks. :y

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« Reply #12 on: 09 December 2010, 23:05:36 »
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Have also worked on & flown in Nimrods, BUT.. just because I don't agree/disagree with someone, there's no real need too lay into someone just because YOU THINK you know better !!!

I think you need to learn a little RESPECT....and quickly.....
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« Reply #13 on: 09 December 2010, 23:06:48 »
A lot of assumptions about Nick there Broomy, and although I dont know him well, I do know that at least several of those assumptions are wrong. ;)
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« Reply #14 on: 09 December 2010, 23:11:52 »
As said, if I have offended anyone then I apologise!

This is a subject I am particularly passionate about.
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