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[Broomies Mate]

Couldn't give a flying break for the Royals, threaten them all you like.

University is a farse nowadays... degree's in rubbish which hlds no real value in society.  Even 'proper' degree's are a waste of time as there are no jobs for graduates anyway.  The market is flooded.

Get back to the times where a University Degree actually meant something.

Signed, Ross, 28 (Yes, 28) 4 A Levels, 13 GCSE's and 2 Advanced GNVQ's. NO rather DEGREE AS I WORK FOR A LIVING.

Sorry BM but you have obviously no idea about how hard uni students work on the serious academic, or medical subjects taught at Canterbury Christ Church and many other universities

You are also ignoring the fact that university prepares the young, and mature, students for further years of study in the medical, teaching, engineering, legal, and technical fields, to name but a few!

Without that process GB.com would be deficient in the skills required to run a first world, high performing, country that can lead the rest in the field GB does currently.  I, and you, will also depend on todays young to produce the country's GDP to help us as OAP's to survive 8-) 8-)

Good point.

My Mother is a General Practitioner at a major hospital in Bristol... She is reaching retirement age.  If you need to know anything about Medical Students and how their 'education' is piss poor, I'll happily give you her number. 

[millwall]

 I, and you, will also depend on todays young to produce the country's GDP to help us as OAP's to survive

god help us    lizzie your not an oap stop blagging it

[sassanach]

umm, im a bit baffled lizzie one of us is on planet earth  but im not sure which one?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

umm, im a bit baffled lizzie one of us is on planet earth  but im not sure which one?

The real Earth I am on, where no one is perfect and society is made up of all types!  Some work bloody hard, others just get by, and others fail for all kinds of social and psychological reasons.  That is the real world, and that is the world in any workplace, university, or street.

Everyone can quote the "useless" student example, the "useless worker", "useless person", or any other type of "useless" state, but most of us try our best.  So do young and developing students try their best.  Mankind has not yet (thank God) produced the perfect Superbeing.

[millwall]

 Mankind has not yet (thank God) produced the perfect Superbeing

eeh  im here lizzie

[Broomies Mate]

umm, im a bit baffled lizzie one of us is on planet earth  but im not sure which one?

The real Earth I am on, where no one is perfect and society is made up of all types!  Some work bloody hard, others just get by, and others fail for all kinds of social and psychological reasons.  That is the real world, and that is the world in any workplace, university, or street.

Everyone can quote the "useless" student example, the "useless worker", "useless person", or any other type of "useless" state, but most of us try our best.  So do young and developing students try their best.  Mankind has not yet (thank God) produced the perfect Superbeing.

ahem!

[albitz]

Havent voted as none of the categories really fit how I feel on the subject.
I disagree with the hike in fees, but probably for different reasons to the protestors.
I think its ourageous that students in England will have to pay up to £9000, while students in other parts of the UK dont pay a penny. Everyone in the UK should pay the same amount whatever that amount is.
The rich wont really care about having to pay the fees. The poor wont have to pay them at all. It is the people in the middle who are going to be hit yet again. People who have worked hard, maybe earn £35,000 per year, have been sensible and saved a few quid, done nothing wrong, but are getting shafted by this govt. the same as they got shafted by the last one.
I think there are far too many people at university these days and far too many "mickey mouse course2 for them to study.
The idea introduced by the last govt. and not cancelled by this one that at least 50% of school leavers should go to uni is ludicrous imo. It devalues and demeans what a degree from a British university used to mean. Cut it down to the top 10% of school leavers and drop the degrees on silly subjects and then abolish fees altogether imo. We would then (as a country) really be investing in our own future.
If the graduates move to work abroad within say 10 years of graduating, make them pay back the cost of their uni education.
There is no excuse for the violence. I have no doubt that it is instigated by agitators and anarchists, although no doubt some of the students ( being young and therefore attracted by excitement and rebellion) join in.
Whatever the arguments are and whover did the dirty deed, they have lost most of what sympathy they might have had tonight after attacking Charlies car.

[Banjax]

i was impressed with the sit in thats being going on for about 3 weeks in a uni in london...until i discovered that they're going to lectures, shopping, going home when they feel like it and only coming back to sleep there. now wheres the commitment in that? no follow through kids these days, no idea how to protest 

[Auto Addict]

I worked for at Art & Design department at a Uni for a time in the late 90's, early 2000's.

One work of art was a jam jar full of maggots.

It got knocked over at some point and the maggots escaped, we had bluebottles coming out of every nook and crany for weeks.

You never saw a lecturer before 09:30 and after 16:30., one day off a week for 'research?', ignoring the length of holiday they had (and these were the people who were complaing that they were overworked, and understaffed).

I've never seen such a waste of money in all my life, in the Faculty were I worked, the Dean used to take the Heads of Deparments and Lecturers away to a plush hotel for three days, once a year, to discuss, amongst other things, how to raise external funding.

The bill for the hotel was aroung £100K.

Why they had to take everyone away beggers belief, as they had lecture theatres standing empty most of the time, which would have been entirely suitable for such a meeting.

If Universities were private industry, having to generate their own income, they wouldn't last five minutes in a commercial world.

[Banjax]

Auto if every uni was a franchise and the only merit of education was to make money then thats not a country i'd wish to live in, this idea that everything must make money or its worthless is entirely bogus - and i've seen astonishing waste in the private sector, lets not go crazy here 

[Auto Addict]

Auto if every uni was a franchise and the only merit of education was to make money then thats not a country i'd wish to live in, this idea that everything must make money or its worthless is entirely bogus - and i've seen astonishing waste in the private sector, lets not go crazy here 

I agree, there is waste in the private sector, but not as much as there is in Government (Tax Payer) funded institutions - and I'm not advocating everything should make money, certain things should be tax payer funded, but control it, and cut out the vast majority of waste.

A prime example, why fly someone back and forth from Mexico, just to vote, surely they could change the rules, and vote by proxy, it would never happen in private industry.

A lot of people in institutions think money is no object, because the Government is providing the funding, forgetting that they as a taxpayer are really funding it.

If they had to pay for it out of their own pockets, they'd think more about waste.

[Elite Pete]

There's nothing wrong with a protest but when they start rioting then they need to be sorted out and made to pay for the damage/extra policing, just tot it up and add it onto next years fees

[bob.dent]

There's nothing wrong with a protest but when they start rioting then they need to be sorted out and made to pay for the damage/extra policing, just tot it up and add it onto next years fees

Excellent idea Pete! It would certainly make some of them think about rioting and causing criminal damage.
While I can sympathise with their cause, unfortunately it's always the minority that use such events with the sole purpose of stirring up trouble and I bet some of these trouble makers aren't even students! They're the one's that should be severely dealt with (or shot! ).

[Gaffers]

Couldn't give a flying break for the Royals, threaten them all you like.

University is a farse nowadays... degree's in rubbish which hlds no real value in society.  Even 'proper' degree's are a waste of time as there are no jobs for graduates anyway.  The market is flooded.

Get back to the times where a University Degree actually meant something.

Signed, Ross, 28 (Yes, 28) 4 A Levels, 13 GCSE's and 2 Advanced GNVQ's. NO rather DEGREE AS I WORK FOR A LIVING.

Sorry BM but you have obviously no idea about how hard uni students work on the serious academic, or medical subjects taught at Canterbury Christ Church and many other universities

You are also ignoring the fact that university prepares the young, and mature, students for further years of study in the medical, teaching, engineering, legal, and technical fields, to name but a few!

Without that process GB.com would be deficient in the skills required to run a first world, high performing, country that can lead the rest in the field GB does currently.  I, and you, will also depend on todays young to produce the country's GDP to help us as OAP's to survive 8-) 8-)

Agreed.  I for one am for the increase in fees, they make sense and it is still cheaper than going to Uni in the States.  Personally I think that mickey-mouse degrees should be scrapped completely but I know that is unrealistic.  This system is actually quite intelligent because it will make people realise that they will have to get a proper job afterwards in order to pay for the education they have just had, thus hopefully shy away from pansy degrees which offer less of a future to the graduate and little benefit to the country.

The right to protest is your right (I gave up mine 6 years ago) but that does not include violence, intimidation or wanton destruction of property.  And those that attacked the Royal motorcade should be found and made an example of.  Attacking a royal is bad enough but it's rather stupid for lefty students to attack the most left wing royal we have had in centuries!

[bob.dent]

Couldn't give a flying break for the Royals, threaten them all you like.

University is a farse nowadays... degree's in rubbish which hlds no real value in society.  Even 'proper' degree's are a waste of time as there are no jobs for graduates anyway.  The market is flooded.

Get back to the times where a University Degree actually meant something.

Signed, Ross, 28 (Yes, 28) 4 A Levels, 13 GCSE's and 2 Advanced GNVQ's. NO rather DEGREE AS I WORK FOR A LIVING.

Sorry BM but you have obviously no idea about how hard uni students work on the serious academic, or medical subjects taught at Canterbury Christ Church and many other universities

You are also ignoring the fact that university prepares the young, and mature, students for further years of study in the medical, teaching, engineering, legal, and technical fields, to name but a few!
Without that process GB.com would be deficient in the skills required to run a first world, high performing, country that can lead the rest in the field GB does currently.  I, and you, will also depend on todays young to produce the country's GDP to help us as OAP's to survive 8-) 8-)

Yes Lizzie, it prepares them academically but unfortunately there's one major thing that always gets forgotten and that very few of them have these days............COMMON SENSE!