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[markfree]

i'm not looking for a debate on the existence or not of man made climate change, i'm just looking for some facts.....seems some of you are getting the excuses in early...............interesting.........

You would have to have at least a million years worth of statistics to prove/disprove wether or not man has had any effect on climate change.

Where I am sitting now 250 million years ago I would be sunning myself in my deckchair (with my knotted hanky on my head) basking in 30-35 degrees of heat watching my pet tyrannosaurus rex devour next doors moggy triceratops while sipping my bottle of old jock.

Twenty thousand years ago I would be entombed in ice.

All goes to show that the earth warms and cools - how much man has had an influence is open to debate.

[V6 CDX-er]

What will be will be.

You, I, everyone on here, in fact everyone else on this silly little planet is just a tiny spec of dust in a universe so vast, great minds believe it has no end.

It doesn't matter what we do, or what we say, we're here for just the blink of an eye.

Even if MMGW is a fact and not an, (as of yet, proved), theory, and even if we do manage to 'fix' it, mankind will continue to do what it has done best for a millenia, and that is destroy itself.

No point losing any sleep over that fact IMO, as there is nothing I can do about it.

I was born, I grew up, I paid my taxes, I retired, I died. It will be the same for each and every one of you.

Yes, for the most part I'm happy to agree with that 6.

Although we should really continue to test our collective ability for it is through this determination and desire for knowledge we, as a race, have achieved great things.

Absolutly.

I'm not Christian, Buddist, Hindu or Muslim. My religion is science. That's the reason why we walk on two legs, can light fires and fly to the moon.

[CaptainZok]

I couldn't resist posting this: 

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

When did these twits senior researchers make these ill-considered comments? Monday, 20 March 2000

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html


Sadly, I think they still hold their jobs.     

Makes you wonder if the council consultants (feel free to lose a few letters) were listening to them and hence why we have a shortage of gritters and snowploughs.

[Banjax]

I couldn't resist posting this: 

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

When did these twits senior researchers make these ill-considered comments? Monday, 20 March 2000

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html


Sadly, I think they still hold their jobs.     

Makes you wonder if the council consultants (feel free to lose a few letters) were listening to them and hence why we have a shortage of gritters and snowploughs.

and how would you feel if the government now went ahead and invested billions in snow clearance the length and breadth of the country and it turns out to be a couple of freak winters? you can't legislate for extreme weather without spending money we don't have, but if "extreme" becomes "annual" and therefore "normal" then its certainly worth a bob or two 

[CaptainZok]

I couldn't resist posting this: 

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

When did these twits senior researchers make these ill-considered comments? Monday, 20 March 2000

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html


Sadly, I think they still hold their jobs.     

Makes you wonder if the council consultants (feel free to lose a few letters) were listening to them and hence why we have a shortage of gritters and snowploughs.

and how would you feel if the government now went ahead and invested billions in snow clearance the length and breadth of the country and it turns out to be a couple of freak winters? you can't legislate for extreme weather without spending money we don't have, but if "extreme" becomes "annual" and therefore "normal" then its certainly worth a bob or two 

My point was the councils used to have all the kit, arrangements with local farmers etc but I was wondering if someone told them they no longer needed it so it was disposed of.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I couldn't resist posting this: 

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

When did these twits senior researchers make these ill-considered comments? Monday, 20 March 2000

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html


Sadly, I think they still hold their jobs.     

Makes you wonder if the council consultants (feel free to lose a few letters) were listening to them and hence why we have a shortage of gritters and snowploughs.

and how would you feel if the government now went ahead and invested billions in snow clearance the length and breadth of the country and it turns out to be a couple of freak winters? you can't legislate for extreme weather without spending money we don't have, but if "extreme" becomes "annual" and therefore "normal" then its certainly worth a bob or two 

My point was the councils used to have all the kit, arrangements with local farmers etc but I was wondering if someone told them they no longer needed it so it was disposed of.

I must say that all I can remember is the councils having some of their lorries with snow plough attachment gear, with a plough actually stuck onto it when the snow came down.  Oh, and yes there could be a chap standing in the back of the lorry shovelling out the grit!

[Banjax]

they should fit blades to every bin lorry in affected areas, they're out and about anyway - plus I'd give folk with gigantor 4x4 military assualt vehicles a tax break if they fit a plough to the front of their Chelsea tractor (proper ones anyway - Landies, Hiluxes, etc as opposed to the soft-roaders with Xs and Qs in the titles - useless) 

[CaptainZok]

Can't see a few blades, hydraulic frames and cab mounted spot lights for the council tippers breaking the bank tbh.

[Banjax]

Can't see a few blades, hydraulic frames and cab mounted spot lights for the council tippers breaking the bank tbh.

exactly, a few grand per truck and it would save millions in lost business days and hence tax revenue 

[Dishevelled Den]

I was out earlier to do a recce of the main connections to the motorway as I have to make a trip in a few days.

I'm sorry to say that not only the 'B' road I live off but the main 'A' road I have to use to get as far as the motorway remains unploughed.

I called at some shops in the local village and was greeted by grim scenes with shopkeepers trying to clear snow from the pavements.

No officials from any department to be seen leaving the impression that the area in general has been abandoned.

It was gratifying to see that many trades-people had made the effort to carry on as best they could as the shops were well stocked.

The general standard of driving was border-line to say the least with many wheels spinning, gaps too much on the side of intimacy to be comfortable and speed on the upper-end of what was sensible.

Over and above that I was able to complete my task without any of these droogs getting in my way too much.

Temp. as I set off:

 

[Banjax]

Radio 3 - I knew you had class Z 

what you say is true about the driving - too many people dont seem to realise the difference a drop in temp makes 

[V6 CDX-er]

I couldn't resist posting this: 

According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

When did these twits senior researchers make these ill-considered comments? Monday, 20 March 2000

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html


Sadly, I think they still hold their jobs.     

Makes you wonder if the council consultants (feel free to lose a few letters) were listening to them and hence why we have a shortage of gritters and snowploughs.

and how would you feel if the government now went ahead and invested billions in snow clearance the length and breadth of the country and it turns out to be a couple of freak winters? you can't legislate for extreme weather without spending money we don't have, but if "extreme" becomes "annual" and therefore "normal" then its certainly worth a bob or two 

My point was the councils used to have all the kit, arrangements with local farmers etc but I was wondering if someone told them they no longer needed it so it was disposed of.

To be fair, North East Derbyshire, both this year and last, have been great.

[Lioned]

Global warming or new ice age - new tax on iceicles on the way

OR


This may be of more interest - clicky


a rather large hailstone around 18" circumference and a 15" snowflake.That extreme enough for you ?

[Andy B]

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OR


This may be of more interest

Cold
 Lowest temperatures ever recorded
 Temperature Location Date
Antarctica / On Earth [ch8722]89.2 °C ([ch8722]128.6 °F) Vostok Station 1983-01-12[58][56]

How cold?!        

[Banjax]

interesting looking at that list of temperature records for individual countries is the amount of highest temperatures set in 2010 

this year is set to be the warmest on earth since accurate records began, which i think leads to moister air and more extreme events - storms, flooding, cyclones etc but i'm still loooking for info - thanks for all the great links so far