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Perception/adaption to vehicle brake differences.
« on: 11 January 2011, 14:04:08 »

Getting into my Land Rover 'Disco' when I got it; I was aware that the brakes on it were not as reactive/effective as on the 'pup-mobile'.....I simply adapted and my foot learned to make necessary changes when jumping in and out`twixt vehicles.....

....but, having driven the Miggy for the first time after a month`s break (having driven only the Disco during the recent bad-weather) approaching a downhill junction, I nearly put the dogs clean through the mesh-guard (like making chips), such are the wonderfully good Omega-anchors.

Just reminds me, how when doing things on a daily basis; human perception/reaction can make wonderfully unconscious, adaptive behaviours.......or not! ;D
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Re: Perception/adaption to vehicle brake differences.
« Reply #1 on: 11 January 2011, 14:30:00 »

I remember once jumping into one of my employers' cars (3.0 Capri Ghia) only to forget it was an automatic. Planted the throttle, screamed off and then went to "change gear" by stamping hard on the....brake pedal.  :-[ :-[ :-[
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« Reply #2 on: 11 January 2011, 14:56:04 »

Felt the same way first press of Mondeo brakes, Whamo!  and opposite way coming from Mondeo brakes to trade club Omega brakes. Oe pads far better.  ;)

Still maintain current crop of trade club pads are very poor.

But yes, all things are relative and depends what your used to. Is it worth a quick inspection of Disco brakes? Or is that how they are? :-/
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Re: Perception/adaption to vehicle brake differences.
« Reply #3 on: 11 January 2011, 15:25:16 »

If I haven't used a car for a while, or if I've just washed it, I do a test brake well before the first junction to find out where we're at and bed-in the pads.

Talking of disco's, the one I had was not aversed to running into junctions with very little braking effort on occasions.  I never found out if it was over-excitable ABS or diesel on the roads that caused it.
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Re: Perception/adaption to vehicle brake differences.
« Reply #4 on: 11 January 2011, 18:56:28 »

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Felt the same way first press of Mondeo brakes, Whamo!  and opposite way coming from Mondeo brakes to trade club Omega brakes. Oe pads far better.  ;)

Still maintain current crop of trade club pads are very poor.

But yes, all things are relative and depends what your used to. Is it worth a quick inspection of Disco brakes? Or is that how they are? :-/

Echo what's said above, certainly feel the difference between my two Elites one with OEM pads the other with aftermarket.... soon to be rectified!
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Re: Perception/adaption to vehicle brake differences.
« Reply #5 on: 11 January 2011, 19:09:16 »

Very weird that OE feel, drove Jimbobs over new year which has OE and it felt no different to trade club pads.

Strange.
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« Reply #6 on: 11 January 2011, 19:51:26 »

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Very weird that OE feel, drove Jimbobs over new year which has OE and it felt no different to trade club pads.

Strange.
Pads in my current Elite are TC, and feel ok, ish. Not quite oe, but certainly usable. Car is 03 with 60k and need replacing, so they could be almost 3years old perhaps?

 Tc pads purchased early last year, and the set prior to that on my pre face lift, are not the same at all. Not by a looooong way. These felt the same as TB 's mv6 brakes on a gentle test drive to the curry house before xmas. And mine where removed immediately after I fitted TC disc pad set, in favour of OE, and the differance was instant and vastly improved.

I will keep the current set on my current elite when I replace them, and fit the old previously removed TC pads with new discs to do a comparison between the two. Just to be sure, and I will be kicking up a fuss at VX if they are different, which I am sure they will be.

Or, thinking about it, I could send you the removed TC pads which are almost new bar a trip round the block, and see for your self....? I still have them in the garage, they will not be fitted on any of my cars, so no loss.  :-/

Conclude, as has been suggested before, not alll TC pads are the same, not by a long way IME. :-/
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Re: Perception/adaption to vehicle brake differences.
« Reply #7 on: 11 January 2011, 19:58:58 »

One other factor is that the V6 has OEM pads and TC discs front and rear, effectively I replaced the whole lot at the same time (well there was a week between rears and fronts!) and bled new brake fluid through.

There's probably no difference in the overall performance of either type, it's just that the brake pedal feels as if it is more communicative of whats happening at the wheels.

The other thing I like about the OEM pads is they don't seem to produce as much brake dust.
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« Reply #8 on: 11 January 2011, 20:13:13 »

Same on gay omega, TC discs OE pads. Could the discs have anything to do with it? Would be suprised...?  :-/
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Re: Perception/adaption to vehicle brake differences.
« Reply #9 on: 11 January 2011, 22:05:47 »

I reckon there was a batch of cr@p TC pads.

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Re: Perception/adaption to vehicle brake differences.
« Reply #10 on: 11 January 2011, 22:33:30 »

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Getting into my Land Rover 'Disco' when I got it; I was aware that the brakes on it were not as reactive/effective as on the 'pup-mobile'.....I simply adapted and my foot learned to make necessary changes when jumping in and out`twixt vehicles.....

....but, having driven the Miggy for the first time after a month`s break (having driven only the Disco during the recent bad-weather) approaching a downhill junction, I nearly put the dogs clean through the mesh-guard (like making chips), such are the wonderfully good Omega-anchors.

Just reminds me, how when doing things on a daily basis; human perception/reaction can make wonderfully unconscious, adaptive behaviours.......or not! ;D

I had a similar experience today, borrowing my Mums car, a little Pug,206, brakes are very severe, soon learned to adjust though, it was having 3 pedals that caught me out ...... :D :D :D
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« Reply #11 on: 11 January 2011, 22:40:58 »

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I reckon there was a batch of cr@p TC pads.

Kevin
Wondered if it was all after a certain date? Wonder how old Marks are?

Seen the dust on Josh's front wheels, quite incredible. :-?
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Re: Perception/adaption to vehicle brake differences.
« Reply #12 on: 11 January 2011, 22:52:00 »

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I reckon there was a batch of cr@p TC pads.

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Wondered if it was all after a certain date? Wonder how old Marks are?

Seen the dust on Josh's front wheels, quite incredible. :-?

Yeah, mine are quite dusty, but stopped squealing in the end and, now the back brakes have new disks and pads, I couldn't want for more in the braking department, TBH.

.. which is more than can be said for the 4x4 that punted a Nissan Micra into the back of my Omega earlier today. :'(

Kevin
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« Reply #13 on: 11 January 2011, 22:55:01 »

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, but stopped squealing in the end and,  ......

I wish mine would!  :(
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« Reply #14 on: 11 January 2011, 22:55:59 »

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I reckon there was a batch of cr@p TC pads.

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Wondered if it was all after a certain date? Wonder how old Marks are?

Seen the dust on Josh's front wheels, quite incredible. :-?

Yeah, mine are quite dusty, but stopped squealing in the end and, now the back brakes have new disks and pads, I couldn't want for more in the braking department, TBH.

.. which is more than can be said for the 4x4 that punted a Nissan Micra into the back of my Omega earlier today. :'(

Kevin

No major damage one hopes ???   :(
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