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[Vamps]

Well then that is bloody diabolical! someone needs their arse kicked >:(very hard!

I'm araid that you are deluded if you think that is anything but the norm in large cities Phil.

The workload and the 'targets' got too much for all the experienced social workers long ago. The poor kids that do the job now get a weeks training and are sent out. A lot of them end up 'on the sick'.

Paperwork
Many of
Too much theoretical and PC type drivel and not enough on the REAL job training

Sadly not only limited to the Inner Cities, otherwise I agree with you Steve

[omegod]

Sad to say but I am used to the sights your wife met today and they are disturbing indeed, a dog in a car on a summers day will bring immediate calls to RSPCA and crowds galore, a child being neglected however is very often " Best not stick our noses in " view from neighbours, family etc.

The RSPCA receives tenfold the donations that the RSPCC does FFS !

 I couldn't be a social worker,but do work very closely with and admire them greatly, the pressure and accountability is huge and they are poorly paid beyond belief.

[Varche]

I wonder if the hard pressed folk in social services will see job cuts and be urged to exercise wage restraint?

If so it doesn't bode well.

[Vamps]

I wonder if the hard pressed folk in social services will see job cuts and be urged to exercise wage restraint?

If so it doesn't bode well.

God help any person in need if that were to happen, there are not enough, in all areas, not just child protection......Pay, it is my understanding that they have not had a pay rise nor are they expecting one.
It easy to knock Social workers, but walk in their steps before doing so......

[tidla]

Well then that is bloody diabolical! someone needs their arse kicked >:(very hard!

I'm araid that you are deluded if you think that is anything but the norm in large cities Phil.

The workload and the 'targets' got too much for all the experienced social workers long ago. The poor kids that do the job now get a weeks training and are sent out. A lot of them end up 'on the sick'.

Paperwork
Many of
Too much theoretical and PC type drivel and not enough on the REAL job training

Sadly not only limited to the Inner Cities, otherwise I agree with you Steve

 a total shower of inepts if there is such a word.

they either fail miserably or interfere when not required.

[Jusme]

hard pressed folk in social services In our dealings with them I'm afraid I cannot agree, unless it was the quality of my cups of tea? But then all of those social workers who visited seemed able to overrun on their alotted time, sitting comfortably in the warm drinking many cups of tea and munching their way through the biscuits.

In my experience and dealings with social services I have to agree with my barrister when he said, 'they are poorly educated, poorly trained and poorly paid, but you 'MUST' get them on your side, as the government gives them so much power'...

[Vamps]

Well then that is bloody diabolical! someone needs their arse kicked >:(very hard!

I'm araid that you are deluded if you think that is anything but the norm in large cities Phil.

The workload and the 'targets' got too much for all the experienced social workers long ago. The poor kids that do the job now get a weeks training and are sent out. A lot of them end up 'on the sick'.

Paperwork
Many of
Too much theoretical and PC type drivel and not enough on the REAL job training

Sadly not only limited to the Inner Cities, otherwise I agree with you Steve

a total shower of inepts if there is such a word.
they either fail miserably or interfere when not required.

[/highlight]

You have obviously had a 'Visit' otherwise you could not know that.....

[tidla]

Well then that is bloody diabolical! someone needs their arse kicked >:(very hard!

I'm araid that you are deluded if you think that is anything but the norm in large cities Phil.

The workload and the 'targets' got too much for all the experienced social workers long ago. The poor kids that do the job now get a weeks training and are sent out. A lot of them end up 'on the sick'.

Paperwork
Many of
Too much theoretical and PC type drivel and not enough on the REAL job training

Sadly not only limited to the Inner Cities, otherwise I agree with you Steve

a total shower of inepts if there is such a word.
they either fail miserably or interfere when not required.

[/highlight]

You have obviously had a 'Visit' otherwise you could not know that.....

dealing with them still annoys many years down the line.

three publicly aired cases that have ended in misery along with all the ones that dont make the headlines.

[Vamps]

Well then that is bloody diabolical! someone needs their arse kicked >:(very hard!

I'm araid that you are deluded if you think that is anything but the norm in large cities Phil.

The workload and the 'targets' got too much for all the experienced social workers long ago. The poor kids that do the job now get a weeks training and are sent out. A lot of them end up 'on the sick'.

Paperwork
Many of
Too much theoretical and PC type drivel and not enough on the REAL job training

Sadly not only limited to the Inner Cities, otherwise I agree with you Steve

a total shower of inepts if there is such a word.
they either fail miserably or interfere when not required.

[/highlight]

You have obviously had a 'Visit' otherwise you could not know that.....

dealing with them still annoys many years down the line.

three publicly aired cases that have ended in misery along with all the ones that dont make the headlines.

I can understand that, what about the thousands of successful interventions that do not get publicised?....just a thought, bit like garages really, good ones and bad ones........any trade or proffession......sadly....although I accept they are not dealing with lives, just thought to put it into context......
It is easy to criticise overworked and under funded workers where the law is NOT on their side..
 

[tidla]

is the  law not on their side? jusme thinks they have too much power?

[Jusme]

what about the thousands of successful interventions that do not get publicised?
Or of course, the thousands of 'UNSUCCESFUL' interventions that do not get publicised..   The law may not be on their side, depending on which part of the law of course, but do not underestimate the power they wield when making their innacurate, and poorly punctuated reports to the family courts, punctuations that can totally turn what was said or meant, completely on it's head..
When it was alleged and supported by a consultant paedeatrician that my ex was beating my son, social services accepted her reason and took no action, as the court case moved along and each reason for his injuries was challenged, social services accepted the further FIVE reasons given for his injuries, until the extremely wise and experienced judge called her a 'liar'... Social services ?? ' HAH' !..

[Vamps]

what about the thousands of successful interventions that do not get publicised?
Or of course, the thousands of 'UNSUCCESFUL' interventions that do not get publicised..   The law may not be on their side, depending on which part of the law of course, but do not underestimate the power they wield when making their innacurate, and poorly punctuated reports to the family courts, punctuations that can totally turn what was said or meant, completely on it's head..
When it was alleged and supported by a consultant paedeatrician that my ex was beating my son, social services accepted her reason and took no action, as the court case moved along and each reason for his injuries was challenged, social services accepted the further FIVE reasons given for his injuries, until the extremely wise and experienced judge called her a 'liar'... Social services ?? ' HAH' !..

I am convinced, you are right, they are crap, lets get rid of all Social Workers, but keep the RSPCA......

[Jusme]

Thanks for that Vamps...    This subject is a pet hate of mine, that's the social services side, 'of course'. Was getting truly hot under the collar about the memories surrounding my dealings with social in our ridiculously long and drawn out court battle, which I'm pleased to say, 'I won'. Went off to cool down for five minutes, returned and read your reply, best laugh I've had this week... But I agree about the RSPCA.... 

[Vamps]

Thanks for that Vamps...    This subject is a pet hate of mine, that's the social services side, 'of course'. Was getting truly hot under the collar about the memories surrounding my dealings with social in our ridiculously long and drawn out court battle, which I'm pleased to say, 'I won'. Went off to cool down for five minutes, returned and read your reply, best laugh I've had this week... But I agree about the RSPCA.... 

 

[Mysteryman]

Pleases note here that I wasn't tearing into social workers in general. As has been said, there are good and bad. I was expressing my frustration at a system which, sadly, does not permit the time for a 'caring' investigation.