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[scimmy_man]

I have just become aware of that new airgun law comes into force on 10 February. In essence one will be liable for a fine of up to £1000 if you don't lock up your airgun so it cannot be available to kids (means under-18s).

Details are on the home office website http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/media-c...s/lock-and-key . Difficult to believe this new legislation appeared on their site on 27th Jan and the law comes into effect 10th Feb . BASC are supporting the move it appears: http://www.basc.org.uk/en/media/pres...5D9C42CCD1DAE7

[damon80]

Links not working?

Mine are kept under lock and key anyway, and have been for a long while 

Although it's a very useful "heads up" for those who don't.  But, it was always my understanding that it was recommended that they were kept in a safe place away from young hands, as oppose to being mandated that they were locked away?  :-/

[geoffr70]

Surely that's a good thing? The fine should be alot more. I think there should be alot more controls and they shouldn't be removed from a shooting club.

[Vamps]

I thought you could have an air gun at 14, have I missed something....?

[damon80]

they shouldn't be removed from a shooting club.

How about for folk who use them legitimately for pest control - on farmland over which they have permission to shoot - which doesn't necessarily require a firearm for humane dispatch (i.e. rats, rabbits, pigeons, etc)?

[damon80]

I thought you could have an air gun at 14, have I missed something....?

That was the law - but firearms law seems to be constantly changing.

Last I heard, no-one under 18 could purchase an airgun or pellets, but somebody 14 or over could receive one as a gift - as long as they were under the direct supervision of a competent adult of 21 or above, on land on which they have permission to shoot

[Broomies Mate]

My house doesnt have children in it.... certainly nobody under the age of 18......... nobody under the age of 28 for that matter.

Just another 'TV license' tax.

[Vamps]

Links not working?
Mine are kept under lock and key anyway, and have been for a long while 

Although it's a very useful "heads up" for those who don't.  But, it was always my understanding that it was recommended that they were kept in a safe place away from young hands, as oppose to being mandated that they were locked away?  :-/

Not working here either...

[geoffr70]

they shouldn't be removed from a shooting club.

How about for folk who use them legitimately for pest control - on farmland over which they have permission to shoot - which doesn't necessarily require a firearm for humane dispatch (i.e. rats, rabbits, pigeons, etc)?

An airgun is a firearm. Like I said, I don't think they should be removed from a shooting club. As for pest control, what do you define as a pest? It's the animals planet as much as it is ours. From my experience the vast majority of people who possess airguns are people who seem to enjoy inflicting unnecessary violence on animals and people. They should get a hobby instead.

I'm generally anti legisltaion, but I think they should be banned, they're bloody stupid.

[damon80]

IMHO, the best way of reducing airgun-related incidents is education, not regulation.

As a young child, I wasn't even allowed a toy gun.  Once I was old enough, and had had firearms safety drummed into me so it became second nature, my dad started to take me out shooting with him.  I've done the same with my children.

As the old adage says - a gun will not kill anybody; it's the person behind who does.

As I say - educating people about firearms safety is the key element.

[Broomies Mate]

IMHO, the best way of reducing airgun-related incidents is education, not regulation.

As a young child, I wasn't even allowed a toy gun.  Once I was old enough, and had had firearms safety drummed into me so it became second nature, my dad started to take me out shooting with him.  I've done the same with my children.

As the old adage says - a gun will not kill anybody; it's the person behind who does.

As I say - educating people about firearms safety is the key element.

Exactly!

Next we'll have to lock our kitchen knives in a cabinet, and the Chain Saw, Hedge Trimmer, Ball Point Pen.............................

Once again, common sense is being removed from our young.  I sincerely hope there is a revolt of massive proportions soon!  I'm a very peaceful man, but this kind of thing boils my piss.

[geoffr70]

IMHO, the best way of reducing airgun-related incidents is education, not regulation.

As a young child, I wasn't even allowed a toy gun.  Once I was old enough, and had had firearms safety drummed into me so it became second nature, my dad started to take me out shooting with him.  I've done the same with my children.

As the old adage says - a gun will not kill anybody; it's the person behind who does.

As I say - educating people about firearms safety is the key element.

Exactly!

Next we'll have to lock our kitchen knives in a cabinet, and the Chain Saw, Hedge Trimmer, Ball Point Pen.............................

Once again, common sense is being removed from our young.  I sincerely hope there is a revolt of massive proportions soon!  I'm a very peaceful man, but this kind of thing boils my piss.

I can think of more important things that would 'boil my piss'.

Common sense dissappeared along time ago. That's why there's so may arrogant 'only care about myself' selfish bastards out there.

Yes, you might behave in the correct way, but there's an increasing majority who don't. As always they spoil it for the rest. Some people are incapable and unwilling to be educated.

Society makes laws to protect people from themselves and each other, and being young and fit myself, and having being shot a number of times, it hurts, but as said, I'm young and fit so can still defend myself. More vulnerable people can't. These are the people society needs to protect from our resident idiots.

[damon80]

they shouldn't be removed from a shooting club.

How about for folk who use them legitimately for pest control - on farmland over which they have permission to shoot - which doesn't necessarily require a firearm for humane dispatch (i.e. rats, rabbits, pigeons, etc)?

An airgun is a firearm. Like I said, I don't think they should be removed from a shooting club. As for pest control, what do you define as a pest? It's the animals planet as much as it is ours. From my experience the vast majority of people who possess airguns are people who seem to enjoy inflicting unnecessary violence on animals and people. They should get a hobby instead.

I'm generally anti legisltaion, but I think they should be banned, they're bloody stupid.

Correction - they are classed as Low Powered Air Weapons, as long as they are below 12ftlb in power (for rifles), or 6ftlb (for pistols).  A Firearm is classed as a rifle being above 12ftlb in power, which makes it a Section 1 Firearm, and so requires a Firearms Licence.  (Pistols being above 6ftlb are Section 5 Firearms, which are banned).

I'm not being funny Geoff, but have you actually ever been shooting before?

The reason why I ask is that many friends of mine enjoy playing cricket.  I've never played it myself, and have never wanted to.  But, I don't tell my cricket-playing friends to (and to quote you) - "get a hobby".

Each to their own mate.  And if you've seen first-hand the damage that animals such as rats, rabbits and pigeons can do to farmland, crops, and hence livelihoods, then you wouldn't question the practice of pest control 

[geoffr70]

They are fire arms. I have seen the damage so called pests can do, and yes I bloody would question their use as pest control thanks very much. Like I said it's their planet aswell. We arrogant humans seem to think it's acceptable to kill animals for our own convenience.

Have I been shooting? Are you having a laugh? I've fired more guns than I care to remember. I can strip them blindfolded and re-assemble them after cleaning and oiling them. I've shot and been shot at, and not for retarded blood thirsty 'sport' reasons either, thinly veiled as pest control or not.

Look, I can do a smiley face aswell

Edit to add

Incidentally, when pests try and destroy all my crops, I don't bloody shoot them. So to that end, how do you justify shooting innocent animals who are trying to get food for themselves and their young?

[damon80]

Next we'll have to lock our kitchen knives in a cabinet, and the Chain Saw, Hedge Trimmer, Ball Point Pen.............................

Funny you should say that Broomie...  We have a motorhome, and us motorhomers when in transit, have to ensure that the kitchen drawer (with the cooking knives in) is securely closed at all times

Once again, common sense is being removed from our young. 

Defo Broomie - it's all about good parenting.  Good parenting nationwide removes the need for a nanny state!  And a crack round the noggin off the local bobby if little Johnny steps out of line!