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[Lizzie_Zoom]

Today Parliament, with the Government fully supporting, voted NOT to let those in prison have the right to vote

Common sense now coming to the forefront at last?  Britain standing up for it?

 

[Lazydocker]

Today Parliament, with the Government fully supporting, voted NOT to let those in prison have the right to vote

Common sense now coming to the forefront at last?  Britain standing up for it?

 

Thankfully someone has seen sense

At the end of the day, if you've done a crime serious enough to do time you should be deprived of your rights

[redelitev6]

  we all know it's a hollow gesture from craven politicians , our EU masters will get their way in the end

[skyblue]

At last they have shown some back bone but as I understood it on the news this could still happenn if approved  EUHR court approve it tho 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

At last they have shown some back bone but as I understood it on the news this could still happenn if approved  EUHR court approve it tho 

But apparently the British Courts could challenge the EUHR court as they have gone beyond their remit (that what some so called experts are saying anyway!!

[albitz]

wont do any good Im afraid. The EU courts and Parliament have jurisdiction over Westminster. We do not have the right to defy this order from Strasbourg. We will have to comply eventually.
This country needs to decide - or more accurately, be given the right to decide - whether we want to be members of the EU club or not. If we do want to be in, then we should stop trying to change the rules when they dont suit us, its childish and demeans us in the eyes of the world at large. We need to accept that we do not any longer have a sovereign Parliament which makes the laws and applies them in this country, those days are long gone. We cant keep having our cake and eating it.
Personally, I detest the EU and would love nothing more than to see the U.K. withdraw from it ASAP.

P,S I thought (the excellent) David Davies put it rather nicely today. "If you go to prison for breaking the law, you should lose your right to participate in the process of making the law". Why didnt the Tories choose him as their leader ?

[Lizzie_Zoom]

wont do any good Im afraid. The EU courts and Parliament have jurisdiction over Westminster. We do not have the right to defy this order from Strasbourg. We will have to comply eventually.
This country needs to decide - or more accurately, be given the right to decide - whether we want to be members of the EU club or not. If we do want to be in, then we should stop trying to change the rules when they dont suit us, its childish and demeans us in the eyes of the world at large. We need to accept that we do not any longer have a sovereign Parliament which makes the laws and applies them in this country, those days are long gone. We cant keep having our cake and eating it.
Personally, I detest the EU and would love nothing more than to see the U.K. withdraw from it ASAP.

P,S I thought (the excellent) David Davies put it rather nicely today. "If you go to prison for breaking the law, you should lose your right to participate in the process of making the law". Why didnt the Tories choose him as their leader ?

He is too old and grey, so doesn't fit in to modern PR

[tigers_gonads]

wont do any good Im afraid. The EU courts and Parliament have jurisdiction over Westminster. We do not have the right to defy this order from Strasbourg. We will have to comply eventually.
This country needs to decide - or more accurately, be given the right to decide - whether we want to be members of the EU club or not. If we do want to be in, then we should stop trying to change the rules when they dont suit us, its childish and demeans us in the eyes of the world at large. We need to accept that we do not any longer have a sovereign Parliament which makes the laws and applies them in this country, those days are long gone. We cant keep having our cake and eating it.
Personally, I detest the EU and would love nothing more than to see the U.K. withdraw from it ASAP.

P,S I thought (the excellent) David Davies put it rather nicely today. "If you go to prison for breaking the law, you should lose your right to participate in the process of making the law". Why didnt the Tories choose him as their leader ?

who the hell voted for this ??

and some people wonder why we are the joke of europe ?

europe was supposed to be a tradeing agreement.  aka the comon market !!
what happened to that ??

any chance of a democracy in this country please

[SJKOO01]

wont do any good Im afraid. The EU courts and Parliament have jurisdiction over Westminster. We do not have the right to defy this order from Strasbourg. We will have to comply eventually.
This country needs to decide - or more accurately, be given the right to decide - whether we want to be members of the EU club or not. If we do want to be in, then we should stop trying to change the rules when they dont suit us, its childish and demeans us in the eyes of the world at large. We need to accept that we do not any longer have a sovereign Parliament which makes the laws and applies them in this country, those days are long gone. We cant keep having our cake and eating it.
Personally, I detest the EU and would love nothing more than to see the U.K. withdraw from it ASAP.

P,S I thought (the excellent) David Davies put it rather nicely today. "If you go to prison for breaking the law, you should lose your right to participate in the process of making the law". Why didnt the Tories choose him as their leader ?

who the hell voted for this ??

and some people wonder why we are the joke of europe ?

europe was supposed to be a tradeing agreement.  aka the comon market !!
what happened to that ??

any chance of a democracy in this country please

I believe we shot ourselves in the foot as soon as we signed on the dotted line 

[albitz]

It has happened in stages over the years, with the signing of various treaties and agreements etc. We have never been allowed a vote on any of them.
There is more to come. If the EU manages to survive the next couple of decades we will be members of a fully fledged federal U.S.E.

Wheres Nickbat? he knows so much more than I do on this subject.

[Andy B]

.....
Personally, I detest the EU and would love nothing more than to see the U.K. withdraw from it ASAP. ......

Albs for PM! 

[Varche]

[highlight]wont do any good Im afraid. The EU courts and Parliament have jurisdiction over Westminster. We do not have the right to defy this order from Strasbourg. We will have to comply eventually.
This country needs to decide - or more accurately, be given the right to decide - whether we want to be members of the EU club or not. If we do want to be in, then we should stop trying to change the rules when they dont suit us, its childish and demeans us in the eyes of the world at large. We need to accept that we do not any longer have a sovereign Parliament which makes the laws and applies them in this country, those days are long gone. We cant keep having our cake and eating it.[/highlight]Personally, I detest the EU and would love nothing more than to see the U.K. withdraw from it ASAP.

P,S I thought (the excellent) David Davies put it rather nicely today. "If you go to prison for breaking the law, you should lose your right to participate in the process of making the law". Why didnt the Tories choose him as their leader ?

Spot on.

It is high time (as I have been saying for ages) for Britain to either accept the rules of the club we chose to join or decide it isn't for us. I get fed up of us sleep walking around.

maybe , just maybe this issue of votes for damn prisoners will be the catalyst. How much public anger would there be at fines for not allowing votes for prisoners? Sadly I suspect it will be the usual apathy we have come to know and love from we Brits.

We could always introduce a tick sheet that Judges fill out on sentencing.  yes or no to questions like:-

Able to vote
mobile phone
internet
porn
takeaway meals
conjugal visits
television
hard labour
bread
water    you get the idea.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

It has happened in stages over the years, with the signing of various treaties and agreements etc. We have never been allowed a vote on any of them.
There is more to come. If the EU manages to survive the next couple of decades we will be members of a fully fledged federal U.S.E.

Wheres Nickbat? he knows so much more than I do on this subject.

It started with joining the EEC as follows, and I did NOT vote to stay in; my vote in the 1975 referendom was a big "NO", when fellow citizens voted 2 to 1 "YES":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/january/1/newsid_2459000/2459167.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/26/newsid_2503000/2503155.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/june/6/newsid_2499000/2499297.stm


So we initially voted, and since then we have been sucked in

[bluey]

Personally I think we should be more involved in developing the Commonwealth than Europe.  The members are more diverse, the trade can be more benefical to everyone and it would be a real blow to the determination of unelected minnions determined to turn all the people of one continent into grey homogenous little mice.

The EEC was suppsed to be a zone that helped states to trade and work together for freedom and justice.  Now it is a bloated, obsessed tyrant, hellbent on imposing its will and being present where it is not wanted.  The only way to put a dagger through the poisonous, intolerant heart of the EU is to withdraw from full membership and insist on reverting back to being a trade and defence partner only.  When you look at the amount the UK shovels into the wasteful machine in Brussels and how it is spat back in our faces you will then see the panic that such a move would create.

Oh, and don't think we're alone in this either.  Other countries have a significant resentment of the EU as well and are just as active in highlighting the horrendous waste and corruption undertaken by greedy little pigs with the protection and blessing of their peers.

[albitz]

Varche - we did vote to join a club (the common market) but the club has changed into something else entirely over time, and we havent once been allowed to vote on any of the  changes.
We have been lied to time and time again by politicians of all colours on this subject. They have taken us for mugs, and so far have gotten away with it. Btw I agreed with everything else you wrote. I think in the short to medium term apathy will reign, we are a very apathetic country these days. Most people dont seem to know or care what the issues are, but Im sure at some point change will come. It just isnt obvious where from yet.

Nicely put Bluey. I believe there is a lot of discontentment throughout the EU, and I believe that there is a good chance it will eventually implode.