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[Banjax]

i don't toe any party line, Albs - i just vote for the smartest, fairest and most trustworthy politician 

I wish you luck in your quest.

kevin

i like a challenge 

[albitz]

If your looking for smart or fair within Labour or the SNP then you must like a challenge bordering on the impossible.
As for trustworthy - no idea where you could start looking for that in any of the parties.

[Psychoca]

I hope this will be the start of this country standing up to Europe...

The loss of liberty is not enough of a punishment, reoffending rates DO prove this... 

The prisoners claim that it is a breech of their human rights to not have the vote, which IMO begs the question...  What about the human rights of their victim???

The question has been asked how did this all start???   This was all started by a prisoner by the name of John Hirst, an Axe Murderer and Arsonist....

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I hope this will be the start of this country standing up to Europe...

The loss of liberty is not enough of a punishment, reoffending rates DO prove this... 

The prisoners claim that it is a breech of their human rights to not have the vote, which IMO begs the question...  What about the human rights of their victim???

The question has been asked how did this all start???   This was all started by a prisoner by the name of John Hirst, an Axe Murderer and Arsonist....

Right   Well doesn't that prove hanging should come back? If the death penalty was in force Hirst couldn't have raised this issue, and it wouldn't matter if he could vote or not!!

[Varche]

I hope this will be the start of this country standing up to Europe...

The loss of liberty is not enough of a punishment, reoffending rates DO prove this... 

The prisoners claim that it is a breech of their human rights to not have the vote, which IMO begs the question...  What about the human rights of their victim???

The question has been asked how did this all start???   This was all started by a prisoner by the name of John Hirst, an Axe Murderer and Arsonist....

Right   Well doesn't that prove hanging should come back? If the death penalty was in force Hirst couldn't have raised this issue, and it wouldn't matter if he could vote or not!!

More cost effective would have been to have kept the colonies and transported his like. On balance the Ozzies have turned out OK, all things considered 

[Banjax]

I hope this will be the start of this country standing up to Europe...

The loss of liberty is not enough of a punishment, reoffending rates DO prove this... 

The prisoners claim that it is a breech of their human rights to not have the vote, which IMO begs the question...  What about the human rights of their victim???

The question has been asked how did this all start???   This was all started by a prisoner by the name of John Hirst, an Axe Murderer and Arsonist....

Right   Well doesn't that prove hanging should come back? If the death penalty was in force Hirst couldn't have raised this issue, and it wouldn't matter if he could vote or not!!

Hirst does seem an odious, unrepentant character, doesn't change the facts tho. 

and i know you're joking about capital punishment, right.......Liz....tell me you're joking   

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I hope this will be the start of this country standing up to Europe...

The loss of liberty is not enough of a punishment, reoffending rates DO prove this... 

The prisoners claim that it is a breech of their human rights to not have the vote, which IMO begs the question...  What about the human rights of their victim???

The question has been asked how did this all start???   This was all started by a prisoner by the name of John Hirst, an Axe Murderer and Arsonist....

Right   Well doesn't that prove hanging should come back? If the death penalty was in force Hirst couldn't have raised this issue, and it wouldn't matter if he could vote or not!!

Hirst does seem an odious, unrepentant character, doesn't change the facts tho. 

and i know you're joking about capital punishment, right.......Liz....tell me you're joking   

Anyone who is proved to be without any reasonable doubt to have committed a murder, and is of sound mind above the age of 21, should "be taken to a place of execution and hung by the neck until dead".   No I am not joking!

[Banjax]

I hope this will be the start of this country standing up to Europe...

The loss of liberty is not enough of a punishment, reoffending rates DO prove this... 

The prisoners claim that it is a breech of their human rights to not have the vote, which IMO begs the question...  What about the human rights of their victim???

The question has been asked how did this all start???   This was all started by a prisoner by the name of John Hirst, an Axe Murderer and Arsonist....

Right   Well doesn't that prove hanging should come back? If the death penalty was in force Hirst couldn't have raised this issue, and it wouldn't matter if he could vote or not!!

Hirst does seem an odious, unrepentant character, doesn't change the facts tho. 

and i know you're joking about capital punishment, right.......Liz....tell me you're joking   

Anyone who is proved to be without any reasonable doubt to have committed a murder, and is of sound mind above the age of 21, should "be taken to a place of execution and hung by the neck until dead".   No I am not joking!

Iran, Iraq, China, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, North Korea all agree with you Liz 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I hope this will be the start of this country standing up to Europe...

The loss of liberty is not enough of a punishment, reoffending rates DO prove this... 

The prisoners claim that it is a breech of their human rights to not have the vote, which IMO begs the question...  What about the human rights of their victim???

The question has been asked how did this all start???   This was all started by a prisoner by the name of John Hirst, an Axe Murderer and Arsonist....

Right   Well doesn't that prove hanging should come back? If the death penalty was in force Hirst couldn't have raised this issue, and it wouldn't matter if he could vote or not!!

Hirst does seem an odious, unrepentant character, doesn't change the facts tho. 

and i know you're joking about capital punishment, right.......Liz....tell me you're joking   

Anyone who is proved to be without any reasonable doubt to have committed a murder, and is of sound mind above the age of 21, should "be taken to a place of execution and hung by the neck until dead".   No I am not joking!

Iran, Iraq, China, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, North Korea all agree with you Liz 

So are they wrong to do so BJ? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

[Terbs]

I hope this will be the start of this country standing up to Europe...

The loss of liberty is not enough of a punishment, reoffending rates DO prove this... 

The prisoners claim that it is a breech of their human rights to not have the vote, which IMO begs the question...  What about the human rights of their victim???

The question has been asked how did this all start???   This was all started by a prisoner by the name of John Hirst, an Axe Murderer and Arsonist....

Right   Well doesn't that prove hanging should come back? If the death penalty was in force Hirst couldn't have raised this issue, and it wouldn't matter if he could vote or not!!

Hirst does seem an odious, unrepentant character, doesn't change the facts tho. 

and i know you're joking about capital punishment, right.......Liz....tell me you're joking   

Anyone who is proved to be without any reasonable doubt to have committed a murder, and is of sound mind above the age of 21, should "be taken to a place of execution and hung by the neck until dead".   No I am not joking!

Iran, Iraq, China, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, North Korea all agree with you Liz 

So are they wrong to do so BJ? :-/ :-/ :-/ :-/

I am with you all the way Lizzie.
Quoting countries like Iran, China etc, which do not have democratic governments or the justice system of the uk is not on the same playing field. Those countries are nowhere in line with the uk  and cannot be compared with the uk.

[Banjax]

they still have capital punishment - unlike europe. only repressive backward countries still subscribe to this barbaric practice.

some less developed states in the USA included 


luckily theres no danger of us ever bringing back capital punishment  8-)

[Kevin Wood]

luckily theres no danger of us ever bringing back capital punishment  8-)

 

I'm with you on that one. There does need to be punishment, though. See it as an important stage in the rehabilitation process, if you like.

Kevin

[Varche]

If it is true, then there is a delicious irony in Australia where you can apparently be jailed for NOT voting. 

[Banjax]

If it is true, then there is a delicious irony in Australia where you can apparently be jailed for NOT voting. 

i think you should

[r1]

 i cant wait to see all the court cases this is going to bring.hopefully then when we have to pay out millions to the scum bags this country is going to wake up. bottom line is when we agreed to join we agreed to there rules so we can not just pick the rules we like.we should never have joined in the first place we pay pay and get very little in return.