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[tunnie]

One of the big problems with iPhones is they are not offered free unless you go for very high contacts, reason android phones sell is they are free on contract. If Win7 can match Apples experience for less, who knows.

Mine was... Both of them

Same contract I would have been on with an Android handset but with the iPhone

Took a lot of bartering on their part though... The threat of losing a long standing customer did seem to matter to Three, which surprised me TBH

When they were O2 only they refused point blank free handsets, no matter how long you had been with them! Guess your bantering was better than mine, although I did get a contact costing £5 per month for 150 txts 150 mins and unlimited internet 

Quick search suggests still up front costs involved in Lower rate contacts:

http://www.three.co.uk/Phones/iPhone/Plans

MS/Nokia, need to put them selves between Android and Apple, I'm looking forward to Nokia MS phone, as long as Nokia fix their build issues of late, their recent handsets have had shocking build quality!

[Martin_1962]

Actually there are better ways

Use something like This

And play SACD and
DVD-Audio

Yes, but then you're travelling back into the 1980's with concepts such as getting up and putting a disk into a player. <shudder> 

If CD isn't good enough there's always 24/96. At least there's the potential to get the raw data out of the player and into a decent DAC, or download FLACs so you can keep them on a more useful storage medium.

I generally listen to "oldish" recordings (60's / 70's / 80's). I really wonder how much more is in them over and above what a decent 16/44.1 system can deliver?

Kevin

Quite a bit - if you ever come near I'll put on a DVD-A for you

[Darth Loo-knee]

Who cares?
Mobile phones are nothing but a headache anyway.....

[Kevin Wood]

Who cares?
Mobile phones are nothing but a headache anyway.....

Never a truer word spoken.  Still, they've kept me employed since 1992 so let's hope the suckers keep upgrading them.

Kevin

[Darth Loo-knee]

Who cares?
Mobile phones are nothing but a headache anyway.....

Never a truer word spoken.  Still, they've kept me employed since 1992 so let's hope the suckers keep upgrading them.

Kevin

Ah we will mate if only to phone the RAC when we breakdown 

[Kevin Wood]

Who cares?
Mobile phones are nothing but a headache anyway.....

Never a truer word spoken.  Still, they've kept me employed since 1992 so let's hope the suckers keep upgrading them.

Kevin

Ah we will mate if only to phone the RAC when we breakdown 

Ahh. That reminds me. Took offence to their renewal premium a couple of years back and never did sort out an alternative. <fingers crossed> 

Kevin

[TheBoy]

The problem is, Microsoft needs people who can stick chips onto PCBs and then put them in a plastic case. HTC without the quality issues.

Nokia's overheads are a little high for that. Where is the value for Nokia in this deal? I'm sure MS will have the market for apps, online services, media sales, etc. sewn up so Nokia will see little action there.

It's no secret that they have failed miserably to keep up in the smartphone area (and offloaded the more profitable parts of the business to boot ). A couple of years back it looked like they could weather not being in the smart phone end of the business. Suddenly, it IS the business.

As I say, this is an act of desperation. I'd be panicking if I were working for Nokia.

Kevin

Nokia, even now, still have probably the strongest brand in the sector. Some people (a very large number) will not buy anything but Nokia, in the same way Martin Imber will only buy Sony shite, and my brother will only buy BMW.

Nokia can design and make good hardware. Its their software that has knackered them up, an insistance of sticking to Symbian, and doing Meego by committee. Meego is still a long way off before release, and Nokia smartphone users will know it will be unstable and full of bugs for another year or 2 afterwards.

Nokia need to get back into the market quickly, so have to use a 3rd party OS.


So MS have access to a strong brand to market WinMo7, Nokia get access to system software and obviously think they can compete strongly against HTC (Joe Public probably hasn't heard of HTC, but have heard of Nokia).

[Webby the Bear]

how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I know I am completely out of place on this high tech thread,  but really all I need, and I am sure there are millions more like me, is just a straightforward mobile phone! 

You know, the device on which you can speak to someone on their phone and receive calls back like Alexander Graham Bell demonstrated, but without the cords!

 

[TheBoy]

how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone

The gayPhone is not for everyone

[tunnie]

Who cares?
Mobile phones are nothing but a headache anyway.....

I do, Mobile industry has employed me since leaving Uni, hopefully will continue to do so!

how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone

A Vectra cannot compete with a Range Rover, but people still guy a chav mobile  Saxo, Corsa's.

[Lazydocker]

how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone

The gayPhone is not for everyone

And has it's problems... Lack of Flash compatibility being the biggest one that jumps to mind

It ticks the boxes for most people admittedly (except for the price) but, as you say, not everyone. For me, stability was key and that is one thing the iPhone is... Highly stable

[omegabsw]

how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone

The gayPhone is not for everyone

They are trash, for kids and people that dont mind 500mb's internet allowence for £35 a month.
Every Iphone 4 user that I know of on O2 is so scared to use his 3g because of costs. They just want to hook up to WiFi.

My iphone 4 on 3 lasted about a week, I decided that I did actually want to view internet pages that used flash so I sent it back. DPD came out to collect it and dropped me off a BB Torch.
I have never had a BB before but I am smitten with this one! 

[TheBoy]

how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone

The gayPhone is not for everyone

They are trash, for kids and people that dont mind 500mb's internet allowence for £35 a month.
Every Iphone 4 user that I know of on O2 is so scared to use his 3g because of costs. They just want to hook up to WiFi.

My iphone 4 on 3 lasted about a week, I decided that I did actually want to view internet pages that used flash so I sent it back. DPD came out to collect it and dropped me off a BB Torch.
I have never had a BB before but I am smitten with this one! 

Horses for courses.  No phone is perfect for everyone, you just have to find something that suits your own personal needs


That said, I'm surprised a Gooseberry suits anyone's needs outside of corporate environments  :-/ (Rasberrys are really good for centralised management - thats their niche, but at the expense of functionality/usability).


As to 3g usage, thats a fear put about by people who tether their phones (legally or otherwise).  Mrs TB's contract O2 is 'unlimited' (soft capped at 3g when investigating). In the (almost) year and a half since she's had it, I don't think she has done 1Gb download (and about half again for upload). She uses it a lot, and uses Exchange push for mail.

My O2 is 'unlimited' data on PAYG (first year is free unlimited data), not found what the 'unlimited' soft cap is. I'm quite a heavy user of data, yet I too have only managed 1Gb download in the (almost) year I've had this. Once the year or unlimited free data is up, I'll be popping it onto contract, £15 a month, with a 500Mb limit (O2) or £15 a month with a 1Gb limit (Tesco, which uses O2) - (I'll probably go for former). I probably abuse mine as well, as I tend to stream TV (live and recorded) from my Media Center at home


However, the cap is irrelevent, all smartphone contracts have a 500Mb-1Gb cap (stated or soft capped), as the mobile providers haven't kept their infrastructure in line with potential use (in same way broadband providers never foresaw the P2P/Usenet issue flooding networks).


I know of nobody with a contracted data allowance switch off mobile data.

[omegabsw]

how can nokia compete with the iphone? its a hand held computer that has everything you could ever want. i dont have either but if i was gonna spend a lot on a phone or get a new contract it would have to be an iphone

The gayPhone is not for everyone

They are trash, for kids and people that dont mind 500mb's internet allowence for £35 a month.
Every Iphone 4 user that I know of on O2 is so scared to use his 3g because of costs. They just want to hook up to WiFi.

My iphone 4 on 3 lasted about a week, I decided that I did actually want to view internet pages that used flash so I sent it back. DPD came out to collect it and dropped me off a BB Torch.
I have never had a BB before but I am smitten with this one! 

Horses for courses.  No phone is perfect for everyone, you just have to find something that suits your own personal needs


That said, I'm surprised a Gooseberry suits anyone's needs outside of corporate environments  :-/ (Rasberrys are really good for centralised management - thats their niche, but at the expense of functionality/usability).


As to 3g usage, thats a fear put about by people who tether their phones (legally or otherwise).  Mrs TB's contract O2 is 'unlimited' (soft capped at 3g when investigating). In the (almost) year and a half since she's had it, I don't think she has done 1Gb download (and about half again for upload). She uses it a lot, and uses Exchange push for mail.

My O2 is 'unlimited' data on PAYG (first year is free unlimited data), not found what the 'unlimited' soft cap is. I'm quite a heavy user of data, yet I too have only managed 1Gb download in the (almost) year I've had this. Once the year or unlimited free data is up, I'll be popping it onto contract, £15 a month, with a 500Mb limit (O2) or £15 a month with a 1Gb limit (Tesco, which uses O2) - (I'll probably go for former). I probably abuse mine as well, as I tend to stream TV (live and recorded) from my Media Center at home


However, the cap is irrelevent, all smartphone contracts have a 500Mb-1Gb cap (stated or soft capped), as the mobile providers haven't kept their infrastructure in line with potential use (in same way broadband providers never foresaw the P2P/Usenet issue flooding networks).


I know of nobody with a contracted data allowance switch off mobile data.

Really? I get 6gb on 3 and free Facebook and Youtube