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[Banjax]

remember that Mitchell and Webb sketch where a nazi ss officer slowly realises that they're the bad guys?

Are we the bad guys now? we support some awful regimes across the world, the latest "friend" being Libya - who's crackdown on protests is sickening, hopefully we wont try and worm out of condeming Gaddaffi just because he's got oil will we? or is that the sum total of our cares in the 21st century? dealing with tyrants in the hope of securing the last few drops of oil or because we're scared of letting other people have democracy? jesus christ - we suck 

[Mysteryman]

The Scots are the worse though, they let Megrahi go.

[Banjax]

The Scots are the worse though, they let Megrahi go.

worse than what? 

[cem_devecioglu]

remember that Mitchell and Webb sketch where a nazi ss officer slowly realises that they're the bad guys?

Are we the bad guys now? we support some awful regimes across the world, the latest "friend" being Libya - who's crackdown on protests is sickening, hopefully we wont try and worm out of condeming Gaddaffi just because he's got oil will we? or is that the sum total of our cares in the 21st century? dealing with tyrants in the hope of securing the last few drops of oil or because we're scared of letting other people have democracy? jesus christ - we suck 

 

[hotel21]

The Scots are the worse though, they let Megrahi go.

Be under no misapprehension. That whole affair was managed from westminster on an international level with responsibility being laid conveniently at the door
of the scots and their compassionate legal system loophole.

[cem_devecioglu]

any nation without a real industry and well educated working class is million miles away from a real democracy..

either they will end up with another tyrant or another religious tyrant group.. like iran.. there may be some "elections" for the name of democracy to exist but will be far out from the target..

[bigegg]

any nation without a real industry and well educated working class is million miles away from a real democracy..

either they will end up with another tyrant or another religious tyrant group.. like iran.. there may be some "elections" for the name of democracy to exist but will be far out from the target..

I thought you meant scotland there
 

[cem_devecioglu]

any nation without a real industry and well educated working class is million miles away from a real democracy..

either they will end up with another tyrant or another religious tyrant group.. like iran.. there may be some "elections" for the name of democracy to exist but will be far out from the target..

I thought you meant scotland there

nope..

may be its time to talk about another fact.. those countries never had the religion wars that europe suffered some hundred years ago..  those countries need to pass also some further steps.. and I'm afraid there is no short way to civilization..

[cem_devecioglu]

As for the Scotts, like Welsh they are a part of UK and its culture .. from outside all UK citizens look the same   however I can distinguish them from their accents only     

[Gaffers]

As for the Scotts, like Welsh they are a part of UK and its culture .. from outside all UK citizens look the same   however I can distinguish them from their accents only     

Their ginger hair, string vests and aroma of tennants usually give them away before they open their mouths 

[bluey]

remember that Mitchell and Webb sketch where a nazi ss officer slowly realises that they're the bad guys?

Are we the bad guys now? we support some awful regimes across the world, the latest "friend" being Libya - who's crackdown on protests is sickening, hopefully we wont try and worm out of condeming Gaddaffi just because he's got oil will we? or is that the sum total of our cares in the 21st century? dealing with tyrants in the hope of securing the last few drops of oil or because we're scared of letting other people have democracy? jesus christ - we suck 

Didn't the Foreign Secretary state publicly and to Gadaffi's son yesterday that the handling of protests in Liya was unacceptable?

Also, didn't opening relations with Libya bring about a cessation of their sponsorship of IRA terrorism as well as secure compensation for victims of their atrocities?

[Proz]

As for the Scotts, like Welsh they are a part of UK and its culture .. from outside all UK citizens look the same   however I can distinguish them from their accents only     

Their ginger hair, string vests and aroma of tennants usually give them away before they open their mouths 

Mmm us Scots take deep offence to this statement 
We prefer Buckfast not Tennants 
Although i dont like it 

[albitz]

Yes we are the bad guys - us Brits, we should be deeply ashamed of everything we ever did in the past and everything we are involved in currently. We should never allow ourselves to be proud of being British, that would be disgracful.


I must agree though, that Bliars shameless cosying up to Gaddafi was utterly disgraceful. He armed the IRA, his embassy staff shot dead a British policewoman in the centre of our capital city, and one of his people was convicted of the biggest mass murder in our history.
The process of releasing the man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing started that day when Bliar met Gaddaffi.
I agree up to a point with H21, but I dont believe for one minute that the Scottish politicians involved were any less guilty than their disgraceful Westminster counterparts.
Im quite sure that they were all up to their necks in it, and I think the recent revelations that politicians in westminster were actually advising the Libyans on the best way to proceed under Scottish law, to ensure his release should have ensured that those involved were put before the courts. Justice doesnt apply to people like that though, unfortunately.

[cem_devecioglu]

Yes we are the bad guys - us Brits, we should be deeply ashamed of everything we ever did in the past and everything we are involved in currently. We should never allow ourselves to be proud of being British, that would be disgracful.


I must agree though, that Bliars shameless cosying up to Gaddafi was utterly disgraceful. He armed the IRA, his embassy staff shot dead a British policewoman in the centre of our capital city, and one of his people was convicted of the biggest mass murder in our history.
The process of releasing the man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing started that day when Bliar met Gaddaffi.
I agree up to a point with H21, but I dont believe for one minute that the Scottish politicians involved were any less guilty than their disgraceful Westminster counterparts.
Im quite sure that they were all up to their necks in it, and I think the recent revelations that politicians in westminster were actually advising the Libyans on the best way to proceed under Scottish law, to ensure his release should have ensured that those involved were put before the courts. Justice doesnt apply to people like that though, unfortunately.

no worries Albs, politicians are politicians ..

nowadays ours are with the people who stabbed us from behind.. and everyday..

[hotel21]

I must agree though, that Bliars shameless cosying up to Gaddafi was utterly disgraceful. He armed the IRA, his embassy staff shot dead a British policewoman in the centre of our capital city, and one of his people was convicted of the biggest mass murder in our history.
The process of releasing the man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing started that day when Bliar met Gaddaffi.I agree up to a point with H21, but I dont believe for one minute that the Scottish politicians involved were any less guilty than their disgraceful Westminster counterparts.
Im quite sure that they were all up to their necks in it, and I think the recent revelations that politicians in westminster were actually advising the Libyans on the best way to proceed under Scottish law, to ensure his release should have ensured that those involved were put before the courts. Justice doesnt apply to people like that though, unfortunately.

I do not see us disagreeing in the slightest to be truthfull.  I did not say or imply for an instant that the Scottish polititians are blame free.

Be under no misapprehension. That whole affair was managed from westminster on an international level with responsibility being laid conveniently at the door of the scots and their compassionate legal system loophole.

I take the view, as already said, that the whole scenario was engineered at Westminster.  That agreements and removal of sanctions were agreed on the understanding that Scots law would be used to its utmost to free Megrahi (whom I believe is relatively innocent, but thats for another day) and that the Scottish polititians must accept responsibility for their rule of law, thus 'absolving' westminster in the dabblings.

The recent revelations of the 'advice' given by HMG (note, not Scotland...) to Libya shows the extent of the two faced shennanigans that our elected representatives get involved in.

Anyone for a tin of worms?

I would also fortell that it will get substantially dirtier and more smeered as the Middle East crisis further expands and the assorted factions use past duplicity to give themselves a very thin veneer of respectability.