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[Lazydocker]

Well all their guns are brand new and never been fired.

But may have a few dents and scratches from being dropped

[tigers_gonads]

you look after your

your family
your friends
your country

we should keep our noses out of everybody elses business
















oh hang on, they have oil 

it wouldn't suprise me if the powers to be at the CIA and MI6 have been giving a little  "encouragement" to this new wave of democracy 

lets be honest here ............. the west can only profit from all this unrest

the price of oil goes up ........... the govement of the day shafts us all in taxes 

when it all calms down, these new democracys will show there support be giving "Very Lucrative" contracts to those who "helped" them in there time of need      just look at the amount of money the yanks have made out of Iraq since it started to calm down over there 

imho   the big picture here has $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ signs all over it 

[alfie]

How very very true,

[Varche]

How can we get involved in any UN police action,we have no army navy air force,to speak of,unless we nip around to the local scrap yard to save a few tanks etc.
Will our PM call up the reserves and the TA,s,we just can,t do this kind of thing anymore.

Prepare to be astonished. AFTER the military cuts being outlined today Britain will still have the fourth biggest military spending in the world.

[Dishevelled Den]

you look after your
your family
your friends
your country
we should keep our noses out of everybody elses business

oh hang on, they have oil 

it wouldn't suprise me if the powers to be at the CIA and MI6 have been giving a little  "encouragement" to this new wave of democracy 

lets be honest here ............. the west can only profit from all this unrest

the price of oil goes up ........... the govement of the day shafts us all in taxes 

when it all calms down, these new democracys will show there support be giving "Very Lucrative" contracts to those who "helped" them in there time of need      just look at the amount of money the yanks have made out of Iraq since it started to calm down over there 

imho   the big picture here has $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ signs all over it 

you look after your
your family
your friends
your country
we should keep our noses out of everybody elses business

I would agree with much of that Tiger - after all if things are not stable at 'home' how can we realistically expect to help others abroad?

However (there's always at least one where these matters are concerned) it would be irresponsible for this government not to be concerned with what's happening in North Africa and the Middle East.

Our national livelihood and the stability of not only out own country but of Europe and the world, as a whole, is dependent of the uninterrupted flow of oil from that region. (Amongst other things of course)

lets be honest here ............. the west can only profit from all this unrest

I'm not sure about that one Tiger as the result of this sea-change in the status quo of the region may have profound negative consequences for those of us in the West.

when it all calms down, these new democracys will show there support be giving "Very Lucrative" contracts to those who "helped" them in there time of need      just look at the amount of money the yanks have made out of Iraq since it started to calm down over there

I think that because so many of the countries in the region are controlled by tribes, acting in concert or at the behest of a dictator (benevolent or otherwise), the notion that democracy ( if there is such a thing) will ever take root in that region is misplaced, sadly.

imho   the big picture here has $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ signs all over it 

Irrespective of the wishes of the United States, I would think that the holders of the Yuan will be the ultimate winners where  these African matters are concerned.

[Mysteryman]

you look after your
your family
your friends
your country
we should keep our noses out of everybody elses business

oh hang on, they have oil 

it wouldn't suprise me if the powers to be at the CIA and MI6 have been giving a little  "encouragement" to this new wave of democracy 

lets be honest here ............. the west can only profit from all this unrest

the price of oil goes up ........... the govement of the day shafts us all in taxes 

when it all calms down, these new democracys will show there support be giving "Very Lucrative" contracts to those who "helped" them in there time of need      just look at the amount of money the yanks have made out of Iraq since it started to calm down over there 

imho   the big picture here has $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ signs all over it 

you look after your
your family
your friends
your country
we should keep our noses out of everybody elses business

I would agree with much of that Tiger - after all if things are not stable at 'home' how can we realistically expect to help others abroad?

However (there's always at least one where these matters are concerned) it would be irresponsible for this government not to be concerned with what's happening in North Africa and the Middle East.

Our national livelihood and the stability of not only out own country but of Europe and the world, as a whole, is dependent of the uninterrupted flow of oil from that region. (Amongst other things of course)

lets be honest here ............. the west can only profit from all this unrest

I'm not sure about that one Tiger as the result of this sea-change in the status quo of the region may have profound negative consequences for those of us in the West.

when it all calms down, these new democracys will show there support be giving "Very Lucrative" contracts to those who "helped" them in there time of need      just look at the amount of money the yanks have made out of Iraq since it started to calm down over there

I think that because so many of the countries in the region are controlled by tribes, acting in concert or at the behest of a dictator (benevolent or otherwise), the notion that democracy ( if there is such a thing) will ever take root in that region is misplaced, sadly.

imho   the big picture here has $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ signs all over it 

Irrespective of the wishes of the United States, I would think that the holders of the Yuan will be the ultimate winners where  these African matters are concerned.

No need for the last part of that sentence, Den.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

How can we get involved in any UN police action,we have no army navy air force,to speak of,unless we nip around to the local scrap yard to save a few tanks etc.
Will our PM call up the reserves and the TA,s,we just can,t do this kind of thing anymore.

Prepare to be astonished. AFTER the military cuts being outlined today Britain will still have the fourth biggest military spending in the world.

Indeed!

That of course is where the pacifists would come in, let alone those wanting more hospitals, schools, etc, asking do we need such a military capacity now?

I would say yes we do, all the time mankind is as it is and produces from time to time a great threat to our national freedom and democracy.  However, I would recognise the fact that throughout history those with military might have been compelled to use it!

This is still as relevant today as it was in the days of the British Empire when it has caused great wars!

The gunboats have gone, but the firepower of each warship, submarine and warplane is awesome and should never be underestimated.  So yes, we can still pack a punch alongside (and I hope it will now always be alongside, within the UN) the other democratic countries military

[Mysteryman]

Yes. But we cannot pack a punch everywhere in the world, at once.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Yes. But we cannot pack a punch everywhere in the world, at once.

We never could!  We never want to now either!

[albitz]

The thought occurred to me this morning while watching more coverage of events in Libya etc - I bet there are a lot of people in Zimbabwe who wish that country had plenty of oil under its surface.

[Dishevelled Den]

Irrespective of the wishes of the United States, I would think that the holders of the Yuan will be the ultimate winners where  these African matters are concerned.

No need for the last part of that sentence, Den.

I think you are quite correct there Steve - probably sooner rather than later. :-/ :-/

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The thought occurred to me this morning while watching more coverage of events in Libya etc - I bet there are a lot of people in Zimbabwe who wish that country had plenty of oil under its surface.

Yes Albs, it is very true that countries without any commodities have never attracted the interest of the empires or world powers throughout history.

Why should they, as it would involve the possible loss of the military powers resources / lives, and great financial cost for what?   

[albitz]

But we (in the west ) dont intervene for our own benefit. We only assist where needed to advance the cause of freedom and democracy.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

But we (in the west ) dont intervene for our own benefit. We only assist where needed to advance the cause of freedom and democracy.

Of course we do Albs!

[Nickbat]

The thought occurred to me this morning while watching more coverage of events in Libya etc - I bet there are a lot of people in Zimbabwe who wish that country had plenty of oil under its surface.

I'm not convinced that oil, or rather lack of it, comes into the question as far as Zimbabwe is concerned. Rather, the West has felt for a long time now that any African adventure would be suicidal due to the racial and rich/poor overtones. When the chips are down, the African Union would always back one of its own. However, the northern African states are seen as more Arabic than Black African and do not command the same support. However, that's merely my opinion.