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[Martin_1962]

We need a civil war, there is no forces to fight us as they are too busy in libya and afganistan

They swear allegiance to the Queen not the government

[Varche]

All the garages in Ashford have put 2p on all fuel in the last week, so it's still a penny dearer, and another thing, is he still missing the fact that 90% of fuel is still above £1.30 a litre? What he should've done is take 30p of the 80p duty that's on fuel.

They've got to get the money to dig us out of Brown's hole somehow.. I suppose they could have put it on income tax instead, eh?

All I can say is read BJ's post, it summed it up nicely.

What it doesnt do is answer the question of where the money will come from. Bearing in mind that if this country was a company the recievers would have been called in a long time ago.The Socialists all seem to think there is a money tree in the treasury garden and if they want more money they can just go and pick some more from the tree. It was this mentality from socialist chancellors which has put the countries economy in the worst state it has ever been in. The amount of borrowing is nothing short of staggering, and it has to be stopped and then it has to be paid back.
The only way for the Govt to raise money is to tax peoples income and assets, and Brown cynically borrowed countless billions, knowing that in the future his successors would have to take the money back from the citizens of this country.
Personally, I think they should be cutting public spending much more than they are, and cutting taxes for those who create wealth.

Good idea however if it is services or jobs that creates issues. We have a number of elderly relatives who live independently by care in the community. Much cheaper than the state paying for a care home place. I also have an uncle who has spent most of his wealth on cost of his care home. The place is grim and he is treated just like the less compus mentis folk . A locked front door is the same for everyone.

Jobs? Less tax coming in and more unemployment benefit to be paid. Having said that, I have a friend working in government "healthy eating for schools". There dept has to cut costs by only 15%. How many years are they going to have the campaign before they realise you cannot educate pork?

Now waste in public sector. That is what they should concentrate on. No new computers for ten years, use existing furniture and make do. No travel to meetings use something called the Internet and so on.

[Banjax]

All the garages in Ashford have put 2p on all fuel in the last week, so it's still a penny dearer, and another thing, is he still missing the fact that 90% of fuel is still above £1.30 a litre? What he should've done is take 30p of the 80p duty that's on fuel.

They've got to get the money to dig us out of Brown's hole somehow.. I suppose they could have put it on income tax instead, eh?

All I can say is read BJ's post, it summed it up nicely.

What it doesnt do is answer the question of where the money will come from. Bearing in mind that if this country was a company the recievers would have been called in a long time ago.The Socialists all seem to think there is a money tree in the treasury garden and if they want more money they can just go and pick some more from the tree. It was this mentality from socialist chancellors which has put the countries economy in the worst state it has ever been in. The amount of borrowing is nothing short of staggering, and it has to be stopped and then it has to be paid back.
The only way for the Govt to raise money is to tax peoples income and assets, and Brown cynically borrowed countless billions, knowing that in the future his successors would have to take the money back from the citizens of this country.
Personally, I think they should be cutting public spending much more than they are, and cutting taxes for those who create wealth.

Albs you've hit the nail right on the head there if the UK was a company......tories keep comparing the budget of the 4th largest economy on the planet with someone maxing out their credit card or its similar to a household budget or a corner shop - the tories have done that since Thatcher and before - its very easy to speak in those terms as people can understand it, sounds good, makes sense but a country isn't like a house or a company or a credit card - its insulting and spurious to suggest it is, now cutting cutting public expenditure in "toryworld" is tightening the belt a bit, going for one less haircut, buying cheaper coffee, sacking one of the staff...........fine for the household but what about the hairdresser losing a few quid, the gardener losing a job or the shop losing revenue? "toryworld" works if you own the house, not if you supply it or work for it - and cutting public expenditure drastically is exactly the opposite of what we should be doing - its far cheaper to gain taxpayers than gain unemployed - the tories have never understood that and still spoonfeed us the "household budget" baloney, Labour didn't do us many favours but they did create jobs and grew the economy 

[albitz]

From an economic point of view, the same principles apply in any situation. You cannot simply spend money you dont have forever more. There will be a day of reckoning.Brown wasnt stupid, he knew this, but he planned on using every trick in the book to delay the day of reckoning until after he had retired. He built a career on lying through his teeth in any given situaton, but thankfully he got his come uppance. The first time the British electorate had the opportunity to pass judgement on him he was history. Avery cynical dishonest character, with a hell of a lot to answer for.
Labours job creation policy is one of the major factors in the current problems. It has long been known that this countries civil service was overmanned, but they actually created approx. 750,000 extra jobs in the public sector in just over a decade.
These werent genuine jobs of course, they were jobs cynically created for political reasons which every taxpayer and business has to pay for. Brown also stole many billions from private pension funds to finance the pensions for these new jobs, and in one cynical stroke, destroyed what was probably the best private pension system in the world.
Im no fan of the Tories, but these things have to be undone and put right and there is no pain free way to do it. No economy can be healthy in the long term, if the govt. employs much of the population for no good reason, other than to keep them from being unemployed. If you dont believe that, go and ask anyone who lived in the USSR.Thats how they tried to run their economy for decades, but even they  had to admit in the end it simply doesnt work, as has Cuba.
Small government and incentive to work hard to better yourself should be the cornerstones of running a countries economy imo. Nothing else has ever worked, and I dont think it ever will.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

From an economic point of view, the same principles apply in any situation. You cannot simply spend money you dont have forever more. There will be a day of reckoning.Brown wasnt stupid, he knew this, but he planned on using every trick in the book to delay the day of reckoning until after he had retired. He built a career on lying through his teeth in any given situaton, but thankfully he got his come uppance. The first time the British electorate had the opportunity to pass judgement on him he was history. Avery cynical dishonest character, with a hell of a lot to answer for.
Labours job creation policy is one of the major factors in the current problems. It has long been known that this countries civil service was overmanned, but they actually created approx. 750,000 extra jobs in the public sector in just over a decade.
These werent genuine jobs of course, they were jobs cynically created for political reasons which every taxpayer and business has to pay for. Brown also stole many billions from private pension funds to finance the pensions for these new jobs, and in one cynical stroke, destroyed what was probably the best private pension system in the world.
Im no fan of the Tories, but these things have to be undone and put right and there is no pain free way to do it. No economy can be healthy in the long term, if the govt. employs much of the population for no good reason, other than to keep them from being unemployed. If you dont believe that, go and ask anyone who lived in the USSR.Thats how they tried to run their economy for decades, but even they  had to admit in the end it simply doesnt work, as has Cuba.
Small government and incentive to work hard to better yourself should be the cornerstones of running a countries economy imo. Nothing else has ever worked, and I dont think it ever will.

For me that is a great assessment and analysis Albs 8-) 8-)

[albitz]

Varche. I agree with your sentiments regarding the elderly.We have a duty to find ways to look after them properly. I seem to remember we looked after then better decades ago when the country as a whole was considerably poorer,or maybe its just my rose tinted specs.
Waste in the public sector - as I said above, we can start by abolishing the extra 750,000 "jobs" created since 97.
Where would these people find work ? I think we are all ignoring the elephant in the room. .......but Gordon Brown actually used the answer as a soundbite.Pity he was lying when he said it.

[MICHELINMAN]

From an economic point of view, the same principles apply in any situation. You cannot simply spend money you dont have forever more. There will be a day of reckoning.Brown wasnt stupid, he knew this, but he planned on using every trick in the book to delay the day of reckoning until after he had retired. He built a career on lying through his teeth in any given situaton, but thankfully he got his come uppance. The first time the British electorate had the opportunity to pass judgement on him he was history. Avery cynical dishonest character, with a hell of a lot to answer for.
Labours job creation policy is one of the major factors in the current problems. It has long been known that this countries civil service was overmanned, but they actually created approx. 750,000 extra jobs in the public sector in just over a decade.
These werent genuine jobs of course, they were jobs cynically created for political reasons which every taxpayer and business has to pay for. Brown also stole many billions from private pension funds to finance the pensions for these new jobs, and in one cynical stroke, destroyed what was probably the best private pension system in the world.
Im no fan of the Tories, but these things have to be undone and put right and there is no pain free way to do it. No economy can be healthy in the long term, if the govt. employs much of the population for no good reason, other than to keep them from being unemployed. If you dont believe that, go and ask anyone who lived in the USSR.Thats how they tried to run their economy for decades, but even they  had to admit in the end it simply doesnt work, as has Cuba.
Small government and incentive to work hard to better yourself should be the cornerstones of running a countries economy imo. Nothing else has ever worked, and I dont think it ever will.

For me that is a great assessment and analysis Albs 8-) 8-)

However, what of the greedy bankers?
No mention of them in your post........? :-/

[albitz]

Dont get me started. ............too late you already have.
The subject has been raked over many tines on herebut - some of the banks got things badly wrong undoubtedly (and there was a lot of collusion and interference by politicians both here and in the U.S. which helped create that situation) but most of them didnt. Most investment houses in the square mile you probably wont have heard off. They quitely went about their business of making a profit, and they still are making profits, without taking a handout from the govt.
They are private companies and what they pay their employees is no one elses business. Once the govt decides on how much a company can pay its employees we are  as a society in very deep trouble indeed.
Dont believe everything you read or see in the headlines about the banking industry.
And dont believe the Liebore lies that our current troubles are all as a result of the toxic debt crisis - that is a very long way from the truth. The economy of this country was criminally mismanaged for years, and that is why things are as bad as they are. We could have been in a much much healthier position now if the economy had been run on a sound footing since 97.

[Mysteryman]

Dont get me started. ............too late you already have.
The subject has been raked over many tines on herebut - some of the banks got things badly wrong undoubtedly (and there was a lot of collusion and interference by politicians both here and in the U.S. which helped create that situation) but most of them didnt. Most investment houses in the square mile you probably wont have heard off. They quitely went about their business of making a profit, and they still are making profits, without taking a handout from the govt.
They are private companies and what they pay their employees is no one elses business. Once the govt decides on how much a company can pay its employees we are  as a society in very deep trouble indeed.
Dont believe everything you read or see in the headlines about the banking industry.

I agree. Bankers and public servants should be left alone now. They both earn their money and it's not their fault that that we fell into recession.

[albitz]

Banks create approx 22% of the countries wealth.The public sector(or more accurately, parts of it) wastes % of the countries wealth.

[Mysteryman]

Banks create approx 22% of the countries wealth.The public sector(or more accurately, parts of it) wastes % of the countries wealth.

The public sector do what it says on the tin, serve the public. Any fool would know that they don't create wealth, but are part of any civilised society. My public sector worker left the house at 6:40 this morning and is still not home. In fact, she is never home before 7.
The public sector does not waste money, the people who manage it do.

They are an easy target for people when the cash is tight and, no doubt, the private sector could do it cheaper. But it is plain wrong to tar them all with the same brush, just as it is wrong to call all bankers greedy, grasping, self-centered, uncaring pondlife.

[albitz]

I dont disagree Steve. But as a whole it is far bigger than it needs to be, and as you say, the people running it seem to have a very strong sense of entitlement to take our money off us and spend it how they see fit.
I have read several reports recently which state that Whitehall is recruiting as many people as it ever has. They arent cutting back at all. I have also been told by more than one person (but dont know for a fact) that the NHS is the third biggest employer in the world, after the Chinese Army and the Indian railways - if true, its outrageous.
Im not daft enought to think we dont need a public sector. I just believe strongly that parts of it have become something entirely different which doesnt serve the public in any way shape or form. These are probably the very people who have made your wifes job so much more difficult and frustrating in recent years ? 

[Mysteryman]

I dont disagree Steve. But as a whole it is far bigger than it needs to be, and as you say, the people running it seem to have a very strong sense of entitlement to take our money off us and spend it how they see fit.
I have read several reports recently which state that Whitehall is recruiting as many people as it ever has. They arent cutting back at all. I have also been told by more than one person (but dont know for a fact) that the NHS is the third biggest employer in the world, after the Chinese Army and the Indian railways - if true, its outrageous.
Im not daft enought to think we dont need a public sector. I jsut believe strongly that parts of it have become som ething entirely different which doesnt serve the public in any way shape or form. These are probably ther very people who have made your wifes job so much more difficult and frustrating in recent years ? 

You don't know the half of it. The first 'public servants' to lose their jobs are the ones who enforce all the stupid rules, (ie. H&S), and make it twice as difficult and, thus, take twice the time and, therefore, cost twice as much to reach exactly the same conclusion as would have originally been reached.

Daft regulation is what is making the public sector so expensive to run, and the ranks of the enforcers have swelled dramatically.

[Nickbat]

I dont disagree Steve. But as a whole it is far bigger than it needs to be, and as you say, the people running it seem to have a very strong sense of entitlement to take our money off us and spend it how they see fit.
I have read several reports recently which state that Whitehall is recruiting as many people as it ever has. They arent cutting back at all. I have also been told by more than one person (but dont know for a fact) that the NHS is the third biggest employer in the world, after the Chinese Army and the Indian railways - if true, its outrageous.
Im not daft enought to think we dont need a public sector. I jsut believe strongly that parts of it have become som ething entirely different which doesnt serve the public in any way shape or form. These are probably ther very people who have made your wifes job so much more difficult and frustrating in recent years ? 

You don't know the half of it. The first 'public servants' to lose their jobs are the ones who enforce all the stupid rules, (ie. H&S), and make it twice as difficult and, thus, take twice the time and, therefore, cost twice as much to reach exactly the same conclusion as would have originally been reached.

Daft regulation is what is making the public sector so expensive to run, and the ranks of the enforcers have swelled dramatically.

As far as education is concerned (as I know what your wife does, Steve!), a part of the public sector - the civil service - is the very thing that has made life miserable for another part of the civil service - education. Take away the excessive regulation, constant tinkering and target-setting and the lives of teachers would be much easier and they could then concentrate on delivering edication in the classroom!     

[Mysteryman]

I dont disagree Steve. But as a whole it is far bigger than it needs to be, and as you say, the people running it seem to have a very strong sense of entitlement to take our money off us and spend it how they see fit.
I have read several reports recently which state that Whitehall is recruiting as many people as it ever has. They arent cutting back at all. I have also been told by more than one person (but dont know for a fact) that the NHS is the third biggest employer in the world, after the Chinese Army and the Indian railways - if true, its outrageous.
Im not daft enought to think we dont need a public sector. I jsut believe strongly that parts of it have become som ething entirely different which doesnt serve the public in any way shape or form. These are probably ther very people who have made your wifes job so much more difficult and frustrating in recent years ? 

You don't know the half of it. The first 'public servants' to lose their jobs are the ones who enforce all the stupid rules, (ie. H&S), and make it twice as difficult and, thus, take twice the time and, therefore, cost twice as much to reach exactly the same conclusion as would have originally been reached.

Daft regulation is what is making the public sector so expensive to run, and the ranks of the enforcers have swelled dramatically.

As far as education is concerned (as I know what your wife does, Steve!), a part of the public sector - the civil service - is the very thing that has made life miserable for another part of the civil service - education. Take away the excessive regulation, constant tinkering and target-setting and the lives of teachers would be much easier and they could then concentrate on delivering edication in the classroom!     

Oh the irony, Nick, the irony.