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[Nickbat]

The bed-wetters often like us to believe that severe weather has only been around since we humans started driving cars and flying in aircraft and that before we started sinning, the weather was benign.

The truth is that there has been some very violent weather in the past. I've just been reading about the Great Storm of 1703.

Between 8,500 and 15,000 were killed and HMS Association was blown from Harwich to Gothenburg in Sweden before way could be made back to England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1703

Crikey! 

[hoj]

its been here at least 2011 years

[albitz]

No doubt the climate fanatics would argue that it only demonstrates that climate change has been occurring for longer than first thought. Istr they stated last year that it was the cause of the fall of the Roman empire.

[hoj]

and the cause of the dinosaurs becoming extinct

[Mysteryman]

and the cause of the dinosaurs becoming extinct

It was certainly the cause of Hitler's defeat in Russia.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

and the cause of the dinosaurs becoming extinct

It was certainly the cause of Hitler's defeat in Russia.

Not only that Steve, but yes a significant factor!

Poor logistics, lack of winter clothing, bungling by Goering, and stupidity, along with dogma, on the part of Hitler all played a significant part as well

[nemo]

I think the russians had abit to do with it as well

[Terbs]

and the cause of the dinosaurs becoming extinct

I think it was more to do with lack of females as most of the animal world produce more males than females
Got to come to the end of the line sometime

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I think the russians had abit to do with it as well

Yep they fought well against a weakened German Sixth Army that was badly let down for the reasons I stated.

At the same time the Divisions tied down across western Europe due to the constant threat from the Allies stopped Hitler re-equipping and reinforcing the Sixth Army. 

In all it was 'meant to be' that the Russians overcame the arrogant Germans, but it was a close run thing. If's play a big part in history, but I will not go into the many applicable in this case.  The right side won! 8-) 8-) 8-)

[Banjax]

The bed-wetters often like us to believe that severe weather has only been around since we humans started driving cars and flying in aircraft and that before we started sinning, the weather was benign.

The truth is that there has been some very violent weather in the past. I've just been reading about the Great Storm of 1703.

Between 8,500 and 15,000 were killed and HMS Association was blown from Harwich to Gothenburg in Sweden before way could be made back to England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1703

Crikey! 

who on earth has ever said that? 

bizarre 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The bed-wetters often like us to believe that severe weather has only been around since we humans started driving cars and flying in aircraft and that before we started sinning, the weather was benign.

The truth is that there has been some very violent weather in the past. I've just been reading about the Great Storm of 1703.

Between 8,500 and 15,000 were killed and HMS Association was blown from Harwich to Gothenburg in Sweden before way could be made back to England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1703

Crikey! 

who on earth has ever said that? 

bizarre 

Its all in the mind BJ!  Just a make believe statement to justify scepticism, not based on any truth whatsoever!

All the people I know understand the world, and its weather, has been around a very long time.  But there you go!

[Field Marshal Dr. Opti]

The bed-wetters often like us to believe that severe weather has only been around since we humans started driving cars and flying in aircraft and that before we started sinning, the weather was benign.

The truth is that there has been some very violent weather in the past. I've just been reading about the Great Storm of 1703.

Between 8,500 and 15,000 were killed and HMS Association was blown from Harwich to Gothenburg in Sweden before way could be made back to England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1703

Crikey! 

........and shandy drinking southerners.......

[Banjax]

The bed-wetters often like us to believe that severe weather has only been around since we humans started driving cars and flying in aircraft and that before we started sinning, the weather was benign.

The truth is that there has been some very violent weather in the past. I've just been reading about the Great Storm of 1703.

Between 8,500 and 15,000 were killed and HMS Association was blown from Harwich to Gothenburg in Sweden before way could be made back to England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1703

Crikey! 

who on earth has ever said that? 

bizarre 

Its all in the mind BJ!  Just a make believe statement to justify scepticism, not based on any truth whatsoever!

All the people I know understand the world, and its weather, has been around a very long time.  But there you go!

having said that Liz - it didn't actually rain until 1589.

i think it was a Tuesday. 

[mantahatch]

The bed-wetters often like us to believe that severe weather has only been around since we humans started driving cars and flying in aircraft and that before we started sinning, the weather was benign.

The truth is that there has been some very violent weather in the past. I've just been reading about the Great Storm of 1703.

Between 8,500 and 15,000 were killed and HMS Association was blown from Harwich to Gothenburg in Sweden before way could be made back to England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1703

Crikey! 

........and shandy drinking southerners.......

Oi, I have never drunk shandy in my life, the cheek. 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

The bed-wetters often like us to believe that severe weather has only been around since we humans started driving cars and flying in aircraft and that before we started sinning, the weather was benign.

The truth is that there has been some very violent weather in the past. I've just been reading about the Great Storm of 1703.

Between 8,500 and 15,000 were killed and HMS Association was blown from Harwich to Gothenburg in Sweden before way could be made back to England.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Storm_of_1703

Crikey! 

who on earth has ever said that? 

bizarre 

Its all in the mind BJ!  Just a make believe statement to justify scepticism, not based on any truth whatsoever!

All the people I know understand the world, and its weather, has been around a very long time.  But there you go!

having said that Liz - it didn't actually rain until 1589.

i think it was a Tuesday. 

No BJ!   it was 1588, 10th August, a Wednesday, when the Spanish brought us rain for the first time as the first Great Storm ever known to man was within days to drive their battered Armada North in sea never known before in mans history after Queen Elizabeth I had made her defiant, historic, speech on the 9th, a clear fine day!  The last we were ever to know!