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[feeutfo]

..... a few half wits that have never sat behind the wheel on an F1 car.

It is very easy to be critical having never done the job isn't it? ....   

Add an average of 150mph on to a journey and see how easy it is. And any idiot can sit in a straightline mid air at mark1 and be board. In flight movie included. 

My eldest brother has driven an F1 car (despite his bulk, I'm surprised they squeezed him in ), and he said it was very exciting. Lucky blank.

So, whilst I can only dream imagine how exciting it is to drive one, I still maintain its boring to watch one currently


I tend to go to the free F1 test days at Silverstone, as its just down the road. Though it lacks the GP atmosphere, it tends to be more enjoyable to watch, not least because you are actually there, but also because the test drivers often do try that little bit harder with unknown components/setups, resulting in lockups under braking, 180/360s leaving corners etc...

So F1 is not boring, clearly. But it's presentation on tv is...? Hence an F1 race is defo on my bucket list, if I could ever afford the ticket price. Christ! 
   Even better if free and now crowds of odd balls wearing Mclaren shirts. Much as I love the team.
An F1 car flat out through maggots, beckets, chapel.... That I want to see.

F1 would be so much more if it was allowed to be a race. Imagine those same cars wheel to wheel for lap upon lap. Thats why I'd rather watch BTTC than F1

Now we're getting some realism into the conversation! It could certainly be alot more than it is. But boring? Never!    

I will however reserve the right to fall asleep mid race as I see fit. It's a sign if contentment. By that I mean, I could never fall asleep mid Jeromy Kyle episode! Would rather hammer nails in my ears... If you see what I mean?   

[albitz]

The cars - as pure speed machines, made to record very fast laps of a given circuit - they are jaw droppingly effective and incredible feats of engineering.
The cars - as racing cars  -  they are shite.

[feeutfo]

The cars - as pure speed machines, made to record very fast laps of a given circuit - they are jaw droppingly effective and incredible feats of engineering.
The cars - as racing cars  -  they are shite.

And the answer is?

[TheBoy]

The cars - as pure speed machines, made to record very fast laps of a given circuit - they are jaw droppingly effective and incredible feats of engineering.
The cars - as racing cars  -  they are shite.

And if we want the former, do away with the rules, allow big engines, big turbos, wide tyres and ground effects. That would be more than F1 can ever provide, and with F1 we're not talking about racing anyway....

[feeutfo]

Was just thinkin ground effect was the death nail, relatively speaking, I mean once an item is beyond the limit of human performance... Well. It's useless surely? Anything after that becomes a contrived joke.

F1 has it's place. As does BTC/WTC/Ausie touring cars, wsb etc

[albitz]

The cars - as pure speed machines, made to record very fast laps of a given circuit - they are jaw droppingly effective and incredible feats of engineering.
The cars - as racing cars  -  they are shite.

And the answer is?

Its supposed to be a race, so lose the engineering masterpieces and replace them with racing cars. Plenty of power, plenty of mechanical grip (but not too much) little if any downforce,lose the carbon brakes so we can bring back the last of the late breakers passing each other into corners,ban pit stops so they have to pass each other on the track. And electronics to provide sparks to the plugs and nothing else.
Red Bull and Vettell didnt win last year (and yesterday) Adrian Newey did. He is an engineering genius who can find a way to have an advantage even in the strictest set of rules. Whichever team he designs for wins. I have huge respect for him, but its not good for the sport.
The technological blind alley was started when Colin Chapman "discovered" ground effects - that was the day when F1 went down the road of having cars with more grip than the power out put of the engines could overcome - and that is not a good thing in any motorsport imo.
Bike racing is slowly heading down the same road(over reliance on electronic systems, masking differing abilty levels to a degree) and is losing its appeal(to me at least) as a consequence.

[feeutfo]

The cars - as pure speed machines, made to record very fast laps of a given circuit - they are jaw droppingly effective and incredible feats of engineering.
The cars - as racing cars  -  they are shite.

And the answer is?

Its supposed to be a race, so lose the engineering masterpieces and replace them with racing cars. Plenty of power, plenty of mechanical grip (but not too much) little if any downforce,lose the carbon brakes so we can bring back the last of the late breakers passing each other into corners,ban pit stops so they have to pass each other on the track. And electronics to provide sparks to the plugs and nothing else.
Red Bull and Vettell didnt win last year (and yesterday) Adrian Newey did. He is an engineering genius who can find a way to have an advantage even in the strictest set of rules. Whichever team he designs for wins. I have huge respect for him, but its not good for the sport.
The technological blind alley was started when Colin Chapman "discovered" ground effects - that was the day when F1 went down the road of having cars with more grip than the power out put of the engines could overcome - and that is not a good thing in any motorsport imo.
Bike racing is slowly heading down the same road(over reliance on electronic systems, masking differing abilty levels to a degree) and is losing its appeal(to me at least) as a consequence.

So bin f1 in effect? Never going to happen.

Just watched the killer years btw. Incredible. Really!

[TheBoy]

So bin f1 in effect? Never going to happen.

Like many sports, too much money has become involved, much to the detriment of everyone except those directly involved.

[albitz]

Exactly.

[bob.dent]

While I agree wholeheartedly with much that has been said, you can't escape the fact that each formula in motor racing must be governed by it's own rules and regulations otherwise if would degenerate into a complete free for all whereby the richest teams would have the most powerful cars and best technology and win every race therefore ending in.........yep BOREDOM!

[albitz]

The richest teams in F1 do tend to win most of the time Bob, cant remember the last time someone won from down near the back of the grid.
Point is the rules need changing to produce cars which are capable of running in close proximity to one another and actually racing each other imo. Areodynamics is the biggest problem.

[bob.dent]

The richest teams in F1 do tend to win most of the time Bob, cant remember the last time someone won from down near the back of the grid.
Point is the rules need changing to produce cars which are capable of running in close proximity to one another and actually racing each other imo. Areodynamics is the biggest problem.

Pretty much a fact of life Albs, you've only got to look at football to see that it's always the teams with the most money are always at the top of their league i.e. Chelski.
They keep trying to adjust the rules in F1 in an effort to lessen some of the advantages enjoyed by top teams such as Ferrari and McLaren. Unfortunately, because they have got so much money, they always seem to find ways around the new rules whilst still managing to stay within them, and it's all back to square one again.

[albitz]

If they were serious about cost cutting it should be easy imo. They employ many electronics engineers per car and spend vast amounts on aerodynamics. If the cars were racing cars rather than mobile technical laborotories they could lose most of their very highly paid workforces and save a fortune.

[Martin_1962]

If they were serious about cost cutting it should be easy imo. They employ many electronics engineers per car and spend vast amounts on aerodynamics. If the cars were racing cars rather than mobile technical laborotories they could lose most of their very highly paid workforces and save a fortune.

Corrected to

could lose most of their very highly paid BRITISH workforces

Motorsport is a major employer and wealth bringer to the UK

[henryd]

Very true Martin,most F1 teams have a uk base with a few exceptions.