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[fudgee]

I was watching the press preview last night on Sky news when this story first broke and could'nt believe my ears.
I went out and bought the newspaper this morning to make sure as I was half convinced it was a wind up :-? :-?

But No!!!!....apparantly It's going to be recommended by the lawers and judges that sit on the sentancing advisory commitee to not send Heroin dealers to Prison if they are caught with any amount up to £2000 worth 

Can somebody please explain to me what is happening to our society when you can be caught selling the most addictive and evil drug on the face of the planet and not be sentanced to Prison.

I lost my Ex girlfriend due to Heroin.

I got a phone call one day to be told that she had been found dead in the bath with a needle sticking out of her arm.

She was just sitting in the Bath collapsed forward with her head underneath the water.

And now I have to live in a Country where a lot of the Murderers who make a living by selling this filth to our family members will not even go to jail 

Class A Drug dealers are worse than Murderers in my opinion.
They make a fortune by slowly rotting peoples body's from the inside out.
Tearing family's apart as they have no choice but to watch as their loved one's live the life of a Drug addict, and all of the unbearable suffering and worry and prison sentances and everthing else that come's with being hooked on Poison.

A life of complete and utter misery untill one day.....Bang!!!!!......they drop dead and some poor Mother who only ever wanted the best for their child get's a knock on the door from the police to be told that their Son/Daughter has been found dead in a Crack house somewhere.

And when the dealers find out that one of their customers has died the very first thing that come's into their head is " Damn.....they were worth about £250 a week to me"

They are at the very least just as bad as Murderers......the absolute low life Scum of the earth and all a lot of them will be getting now is some community service.

A bit of litter picking and some fence painting.

Do you all remember British Justice?  Well can somebody please tell me what happened to it.

No doubt that fat out of touch draconion old goat Ken Clarke will welcome and accept the new sentancing proposals.

After all your talking about a man who said that the British public don't consider Bulgalry to be a serious crime. 

[HolyCount]

I hear everything you say. Murder thousands in a most incideous way and get away with it .... but for God's sake don't get caught with a bootleg DVD !!!!!

Dealers will simply limit the amount they "carry".  Licence to kill ??

[fudgee]

I believe it will encourage more people to sell it which means more crime on the streets and more dead bodys 

I understand your point about the D.V.D'S.

Anything to do with keeping money from the Goverment will always be deemed to be serious because that's all that they are interested in.

Class A Drug dealers are dealing and selling death.

I'm still in a state of shock thinking that this could auctualy happen     

[Varche]

I remain unconvinced that the authorities are doing enough to reduce the impact on society of drugs in general. It isn't rocket science to go back up the trail from the end user to find out how it is getting into our island.

I know times are hard but this should be an area where more resources are deployed. I recall reading somewhere that 3 in every 100 Brits regularly take hard drugs. That is a lot of people and a lot of misery down the line for either the addicts, victims or family. 

[jerry]

Geopolitically some countries have always relied on drug production to fund their economy and whilst their government may make the right noises that is all that they do. The West wants to trade with those countries so it conveniently ignores some of the drug issues. The men at the top of the chain continue to have power and make masses of money whilst many links down at the bottom it kills and ruins lives in insiduous and horrible ways. Maybe it'd be different if the govt could legitamise heroin then they could tax it and clamp down severely on anyone who tried to cut in on their revenue making. Just a thought...
(please dont think I'm trivializing what happened to your ex because I'm not and Ive seen the results of heroin and other drugs first hand)

[albitz]

The war against the drug dealers (murderers) was lost years ago. This is the white flag of surrender being waved at them by our government and judiciary.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370954/Heroin-dealers-escape-jail-New-sentencing-proposals-mean-pushers-free.html

[Webby the Bear]

sorry to hear that fudgee. that is very sad 

as for the justice part, you're right. its f****d.

so basically the dealers just have to make sure they never carry more than that amount and their free to do it!

[bigegg]

Someone ran down a drugdealer outside our local primary school.
He was dealing just outside the gates as the kids were coming out of school.

Ran over, then backed over.
no witnesses.
couldn't even tell the colour of the car.

[HolyCount]

Someone ran down a drugdealer outside our local primary school.
He was dealing just outside the gates as the kids were coming out of school.

Ran over, then backed over.
no witnesses.
couldn't even tell the colour of the car.

What car ??

[bigegg]

one with four wheels.

judging by the tracks

[freecall666]

they are going to tax them on there income to regain the money they lost from us, dealers on min wage and goverment get the profits,
if you would like to join the team contact you local goverment office lol

[mantahatch]

It is all down to the fact that policing and the criminal justice system is now a business, purely run for profit and no other reason.
The police lost the respect of the public over fining the generally legal person and allowing the real criminal to stay on the streets. Nothing will change until the balance is restored of the real criminal going to jail for the correct amount of time, and the police only fine when it is really necessary and not just to raise income.

[Ray_Tupper]

It is all down to the fact that policing and the criminal justice system is now a business, purely run for profit and no other reason.
The police lost the respect of the public over fining the generally legal person and allowing the real criminal to stay on the streets. Nothing will change until the balance is restored of the real criminal going to jail for the correct amount of time, and the police only fine when it is really necessary and not just to raise income.

Policemen & women have lost the respect you say?

I find that a strange thing to actually say, if someone is in trouble they call the police to help them. Police are always the the first person to attack when they are really playing out there orders from higher.

Respect has been lost through years of people not caring about anyone else. Be honest when we were young if you did wrong at school you went home not daring to tell your father else you would get the same again from him.

As for Heroin, I can't understand how people can afford it. I have most of my working life had quiet good wages but don't think I could afford it.

National Service is the answer in my opinion.

[JamesV6CDX]

It is all down to the fact that policing and the criminal justice system is now a business, purely run for profit and no other reason.
The police lost the respect of the public over fining the generally legal person and allowing the real criminal to stay on the streets. Nothing will change until the balance is restored of the real criminal going to jail for the correct amount of time, and the police only fine when it is really necessary and not just to raise income.

I wasn't going to post, but, I must disagree with this, and I work with a number of officers who I know would also disagree.

Frankly, the average street-level officer doesn't give a monkeys about "raising income" as you say.

The officer is getting paid regardless, officers get no 'commission' for issuing fixed penalties.

And - the argument that senior officers / government encourage officers to fine people - is again totally incorrect.

I can report first hand that, in police training (both in 2008, and more recent input) that the use of discretion when dealing with less serious offences should ALWAYS be considered.

I'm afraid your views seem very stereotypical, and unfair the the majority who have signed up to to 'the job' for the right reasons.

[HolyCount]

I think you will find, though, James, that the Officers themselves are disaffected at the current "system". It's like trying to do the job wearing your own 'cuffs!

However, the public just see the inadequacies heaped upon the Force and blame those they have daily contact with -- the "Bobby" on the street. They don't appreciate that, at times, the whole town might be covered by half a dozen officers, or that, even though the Officers concerned want an offender at least tried, CPS won't have a bar of it!

I do feel, that in these days of "P.C'ness" and "Transparency" that a lot of day to day discretion has been lost.