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[Brikhead]

As for Heroin, I can't understand how people can afford it. I have most of my working life had quiet good wages but don't think I could afford it.

Thats where your going wrong, you've worked all your life, had you spent your life robbing and stealing then financing a drug habit would have been within your reach.

I can also speak from very recent personal experience when I say that the Police can, and do, exercise discretion.

[Ken T]

If I can borrow a few words from an old Steppenwolf record,

" I seen a lot of people walking around with Tombstones in their eyes, but the Pusher don't care if you live or you die".

Such people should be dealt with so they can no longer put people's lives at risk by dealing such drugs. This isn't a matter of punishment, its public safety. By what ever means necessary.

Ken

[bigegg]

National Service is the answer in my opinion.

I think that, now I'm too old to do it.
 

[Sixstring]

I've been in the "music business" playing and performing full and now part -time for over 30 years, and seen a lot of good people fall victim to this terrible drug just looking for a "good time" or a way to get away from a bad one.
It ALWAYS ends up bad, there are no good times from Heroin, just pain.

never tried it myself, but have spent many gigs and rides home from them with people that have had that addiction, and can tell you with some authority that its NOT what they thought it was, but by then it was too late, and they couldn't go the day without it. One particular individual COULD have been a major star, he was a fantastic singer and pianist as good as Billy Joel.....but he ended up dead of an overdose in a seedy flat in London at only 23, with a needle in his arm and over £1000 in his pockets.( and that was in 1981, so good money!).............I still see his mum.

Heroin kills, FACT.

[Banjax]

Heroin doesn't kill.

Impure heroin kills, pure heroin is one of the safest drugs you can take - far safer than alcohol, tobacco, aspirin or paracetamol. Sorry if the facts get in the way of a good rant.

What make "heroin" unsafe is the garbage its cut with on the streets. So regulate it, make it legal and overnight you'd kill off the drug dealers income, you'd at a stroke make heroin use safe again.

Who's with me? Makes sense - tho i seriously doubt any politician would have the balls or honesty to say it as the tabloids hit the "shriek" button at the mention of drugs.

as an aside, what would that do to the drug related crime figures if you could buy cheap, safe, regulated heroin in tescos?

Yes i know - utter madness 

Continue.

[Kevin Wood]

Heroin doesn't kill....

Perhaps, but, even if pure, it turns you into a complete waste of oxygen and a burden on society. Can't see that changing whether it comes from Tesco or a pusher.

Kevin

[fudgee]

Another day goes bye and I have lost a little more faith.

For those of you that have not seen the story this morning, a drug dealer was caught with over £50'000 worth of class A poison.
He had thousands of pounds of Heroin, Cocaine, Ectasy, Crystal Meth and about 3 bin liners full of Cannibis.

He was found guilty of possesion with intent to supply the huge haul onto the streets of Britain.

And his punishment............a 12 month suspended sentance.

No prison, just told that if he re-offends he will be in trouble 

The police are furious apparantly and rightly so.
If that example does'nt show how out of touch these judges are then I don't know what will.

Why don't they build more prisons FFS!!
Get the scum off the streets and keep them behind bars where they belong.....serious sentances for serious criminals.

I would like to see an automatic 25 year prison sentance for anybody found guilty of selling Class A.

If somebody is selling tiny amounts to fund their habit...then force them into rehab to get them the help that they need.

But these heartless cruel murderous scumbags who never touch the stuff, just sell it to make money.....I honestly don't think that 25 years is too harsh at all 

[bigegg]

So regulate it, make it legal and overnight you'd kill off the drug dealers income, you'd at a stroke make heroin use safe again.

I agree with the highlighted bit.

dunno (and don't particularly care TBH) about the "safety" of heroin, or any other drug for that matter.
What adults want to put into their bodies is their business, as long as they are not hurting anyone else.
It's the associated crime which makes smackheads hurt other people - robbing to pay for their next fix, or the "turf wars" where the dealers shoot each other for selling on each others territories. (and good riddance to them).

Unlike say, alcohol, which makes people violent, so they hurt people for "fun".

[fudgee]

Heroin doesn't kill.

Impure heroin kills, pure heroin is one of the safest drugs you can take - far safer than alcohol, tobacco, aspirin or paracetamol. Sorry if the facts get in the way of a good rant.

What make "heroin" unsafe is the garbage its cut with on the streets. So regulate it, make it legal and overnight you'd kill off the drug dealers income, you'd at a stroke make heroin use safe again.

Who's with me? Makes sense - tho i seriously doubt any politician would have the balls or honesty to say it as the tabloids hit the "shriek" button at the mention of drugs.

as an aside, what would that do to the drug related crime figures if you could buy cheap, safe, regulated heroin in tescos?

Yes i know - utter madness 

Continue.

I'm open to any possibility of exterminating Drug Dealers, no matter how controversial the idea may seem.
I don't know for certain what idea would work and which one's would'nt.

What I do know for sure though is that community punishments for people found guilty of this hideous crime is wrong. :-/ :-/

No matter what way you look at it...It's wrong, It's a crime that deserves severe punishment.

I just can't believe how this is happening 

[Varche]

That is outrageous. I have long had the belief that we ought to have more prisons. The prisoners can build them and run them with of course supervision. Grow their own food and do worthwhile work.

What better way for a drug dealer to repent and understand the error of their ways by putting something back into society.

As for the judge ! They ought to walk the job more rather than living in a bubble. I can see a new TV series. Undercover judge in prison, dealing, using, rehab............ 

[Dishevelled Den]

Heroin doesn't kill.

Impure heroin kills, pure heroin is one of the safest drugs you can take - far safer than alcohol, tobacco, aspirin or paracetamol. Sorry if the facts get in the way of a good rant.

What make "heroin" unsafe is the garbage its cut with on the streets. So regulate it, make it legal and overnight you'd kill off the drug dealers income, you'd at a stroke make heroin use safe again.

Who's with me? Makes sense - tho i seriously doubt any politician would have the balls or honesty to say it as the tabloids hit the "shriek" button at the mention of drugs.

as an aside, what would that do to the drug related crime figures if you could buy cheap, safe, regulated heroin in tescos?

Yes i know - utter madness 

Continue.

There's a degree of merit in attempting to imaginably deal with the increasing problem of drug use, be it legal/prescription or illegal - so your suggestion should not be discounted out of hand.

Much as I support new thinking in the way we police changing social habits (where they presently impinge on criminal law), I feel that Kevin has made an important observation - which can't be ignored - as for the most part...

Perhaps, but, even if pure, it turns you into a complete waste of oxygen and a burden on society

... will apply to a great number of those who choose to use it.

[freecall666]

look at kate moss, pete doherty thats what drugs do to you. hair falls out teeth rot and come out. not away i would like to go, and the middle of you nose being eaten away no thanks. those things should only happen when you are dead and buried.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

All drug dealers are scum and should be treated as sub-human.

They do so much damage to our society and so many people within it, so we must make our legal system much tougher on this issue.  Prison sentences?  No!!

Instead we should do what many countries do; execute them as you would multiple murderers in any country with a strong legal system!  These people kill, they wreck lives, so why shouldn't they forfeit their life?!

[HolyCount]

All drug dealers are scum and should be treated as sub-human.

They do so much damage to our society and so many people within it, so we must make our legal system much tougher on this issue.  Prison sentences?  No!!

Instead we should do what many countries do; execute them as you would multiple murderers in any country with a strong legal system!  These people kill, they wreck lives, so why shouldn't they forfeit their life?!

Now, come on, Lizzie. Out with it ... say what you really mean ... 

[Kevin Wood]

I think they should get a dose of their own medicine for a month, followed by cold turkey the next, repeating until they've done their time.

Kevin