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[Nickbat]

This will affect us all, though.

...Yet another disturbing instance of this was the announcement tucked away in George Osborne’s Budget that he will impose a “£16 a ton floor price for carbon”, a measure seemingly so arcane that no one has really bothered to spell out its implications.
What it means is that for every ton of CO2 emitted by British industry, and by our electricity companies in particular, we shall all indirectly have to pay what is in effect a hidden tax of £16, rising over the next nine years to £30.

Last year, the coal-fired power stations which supply nearly a third of our electricity used 40 million tons of coal, each emitting up to 2.9 tons of CO2. For this 116 million tons, we shall see nearly £2 billion added to our electricity bills.

The same tax on gas will add a further £1 billion to our bills, thus increasing them by a total of £3 billion a year, rising to £5 billion by 2020. This will add more than 25 per cent to the price we presently pay for electricity, or £200 a year for every household.

...What has also shocked British industry is that we will be the only country in the world that has to pay this new tax, thus eroding our competitiveness still further.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8423554/The-Budgets-green-dreams-will-leave-us-powerless.html

Expensive and insufficient electricity. Just what we need for the future. This government is truly away with the fairies. 

[Dishevelled Den]

Should this be implemented without challange would be a disgrace.

Along with the roll-out of 'smart meters', this is another indication of how the lunatics have indeed taken over the asylum.

It's a bloody disgrace.

[Banjax]

much as i hate ever increasing fuel bills, we've shown little inclination to adjust our behaviour towards using up dwindling fossil fuel resources, don't expect fuel costs to go anywhere but up unless we drastically cut use - businesses too, have to find more efficient ways of working or die.

we cant go on with our heads in the sand much longer - with every increase and "carbon tax" the voices against grow less, eventually we'll accept it - 2 years ago while filling up at less than 90p a litre you'd have laughed at the idea of paying £1.40, now its the norm and we're heading to £2 in the next couple of years 

[Nickbat]

much as i hate ever increasing fuel bills, we've shown little inclination to adjust our behaviour towards using up dwindling fossil fuel resources, don't expect fuel costs to go anywhere but up unless we drastically cut use - businesses too, have to find more efficient ways of working or die.

we cant go on with our heads in the sand much longer - with every increase and "carbon tax" the voices against grow less, eventually we'll accept it - 2 years ago while filling up at less than 90p a litre you'd have laughed at the idea of paying £1.40, now its the norm and we're heading to £2 in the next couple of years 

Or go to China & India, where energy is much cheaper. We'll soon have no businesses left to talk about, and the few high-energy manufacturing ones we have left will be the soonest to go. 

[Kevin Wood]

Or go to China & India, where energy is much cheaper. We'll soon have no businesses left to talk about, and the few high-energy manufacturing ones we have left will be the soonest to go. 

Still, we'll have plenty of windmills so at least we won't run out of flour.

Kevin

[Banjax]

much as i hate ever increasing fuel bills, we've shown little inclination to adjust our behaviour towards using up dwindling fossil fuel resources, don't expect fuel costs to go anywhere but up unless we drastically cut use - businesses too, have to find more efficient ways of working or die.

we cant go on with our heads in the sand much longer - with every increase and "carbon tax" the voices against grow less, eventually we'll accept it - 2 years ago while filling up at less than 90p a litre you'd have laughed at the idea of paying £1.40, now its the norm and we're heading to £2 in the next couple of years 

Or go to China & India, where energy is much cheaper. We'll soon have no businesses left to talk about, and the few high-energy manufacturing ones we have left will be the soonest to go. 

or they'll get more efficient and use less, time to pay for the fossil fuel party we've all been enjoying and benefitting from for over 100 years, we have no divine right to be at the top of the industrial heap, civilisations ebb and flow, if it didn't we'd all be speaking Italian 

[tidla]

Or go to China & India, where energy is much cheaper. We'll soon have no businesses left to talk about, and the few high-energy manufacturing ones we have left will be the soonest to go. 

Still, we'll have plenty of windmills so at least we won't run out of flour.

Kevin

and dry washing..

[Nickbat]

we have no divine right to be at the top of the industrial heap

Oh, I see. So, in your world BJ, we should just roll over and let the developing countries have their turn, while we sit in the corner, getting poor and hungry, just to pay penitence for our evil past,eh?

Goodness, you do come out with some twaddle sometimes.

[markfree]

Or go to China & India, where energy is much cheaper. We'll soon have no businesses left to talk about, and the few high-energy manufacturing ones we have left will be the soonest to go. 

Still, we'll have plenty of windmills so at least we won't run out of flour.

Kevin

and dry washing..

and dead bats.

[Kevin Wood]

Or go to China & India, where energy is much cheaper. We'll soon have no businesses left to talk about, and the few high-energy manufacturing ones we have left will be the soonest to go. 

Still, we'll have plenty of windmills so at least we won't run out of flour.

Kevin

and dry washing..

and dead bats.

So, we'll be eating dead bats on toast and wearing clean, dry clothes. What more could we wish for?

Kevin

[Dishevelled Den]

So, we'll be eating dead bats on toast and wearing clean, dry clothes. What more could we wish for?

Kevin

Indeed so, it's a small price to pay to hammer into people the need for environmental awareness.
 
I’m away to have the shite beaten out of myself now. (In the name of environmental awareness of course)

[Banjax]

we have no divine right to be at the top of the industrial heap

Oh, I see. So, in your world BJ, we should just roll over and let the developing countries have their turn, while we sit in the corner, getting poor and hungry, just to pay penitence for our evil past,eh?

Goodness, you do come out with some twaddle sometimes.

so you're argument is that we do have a divine right? 

on who's authority? 


fact is NB, the west won't suffer - we'll always be richer, we'll always use more resources. and when we run out we'll invade or steal them - have no fear Nick, the west will be the last place on earth to feel the effects of the end of the oil era 


but i am truly fascinated by your world view that we're somehow better than others - as a religious man, how do you square that away with your beliefs? 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

we have no divine right to be at the top of the industrial heap

Oh, I see. So, in your world BJ, we should just roll over and let the developing countries have their turn, while we sit in the corner, getting poor and hungry, just to pay penitence for our evil past,eh?

Goodness, you do come out with some twaddle sometimes.

But Nick it is BJ's opinion!!!

For God's sake Nick stop your incessant posting on "Environmental" issues if you do not welcome people expressing THEIR opinion that happens to be against yours!!

You often have sound opinions, but you spoil it for having a go at others, especially against BJ, who should ignore these threads as I TRY to!

You never stop do you!   What happened to you leaving the Forum but "temporarily" (your word) returning???

Give it a rest!!

[Banjax]

Liz, how can stay out of these debates - they're such good fun - we all know NB's playing devils advocate dont we? 

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Liz, how can stay out of these debates - they're such good fun - we all know NB's playing devils advocate dont we? 

They may have been interesting to start with BJ but they have now become very tedious and I just do not care what Nick's aims are!!  Let those aims go elswhere for all I care!!  I do not like anyone being insulted just because their views happen to not conform to someone else's views!

It is all no good for this CAR / TRANSPORT Forum!