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[Nickbat]

I read this and I want to cry.

This means that we UK taxpayers will have shelled out no less than £215m for each of our 107 jets – that's $350m at today's rates, rather more than the US taxpayers have been made to pay for each of their 185 Raptor superfighters2, almost all of which will be used operationally. And the Raptor has third-generation Stealth: the Eurofighter has no stealth features at all. The Raptor has thrust vectoring for unbeatable manoeuvrability in a dogfight: the Eurofighter doesn't.

Read the whole 4-page article.

I'm off for another cry.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/03/eurofighter_nao_analysis/

[Marks DTM Calib]

Its interesting to watch the pair at airshows, the vectored thrust certainly shows as an advantage on the Raptor but, the Typhoon still seems to compete very well without and does have a far better engine which helps

So, will the Typhoon get vectored thrust at some point........

[Marks DTM Calib]

I should add, the Raptor is easily spotted on modern radar and I would much prefer cash spent on such things going into EU R&D (because we cant do it ourselves anymore) than across the pond.

[Nickbat]

I should add, the Raptor is easily spotted on modern radar and I would much prefer cash spent on such things going into EU R&D (because we cant do it ourselves anymore) than across the pond.

It's that acronym again!

No, the US make much better planes than the Europeans, and always will.

[Marks DTM Calib]

I should add, the Raptor is easily spotted on modern radar and I would much prefer cash spent on such things going into EU R&D (because we cant do it ourselves anymore) than across the pond.

It's that acronym again!

No, the US make much better planes than the Europeans, and always will.

Who cares, as long as they are competitive, its still better the cash is spent here.

But as usual, the yanks cant make engines!

[Marks DTM Calib]

Ow yes, and the planes only as good as the jokey strapped to the seat..........so the yanks are way behind there to 

[cem_devecioglu]

imo its not that important how good they are.. SAMs will always be faster at every altitude..

[Nickbat]

I should add, the Raptor is easily spotted on modern radar and I would much prefer cash spent on such things going into EU R&D (because we cant do it ourselves anymore) than across the pond.

It's that acronym again!

No, the US make much better planes than the Europeans, and always will.

Who cares, as long as they are competitive, its still better the cash is spent here.

But as usual, the yanks cant make engines!

Wads and wads of cash! The point is, in this world run by accountants, US planes represent better value for money - as reported in the article. Every EU project ends up in massive overspends - Typhoon included and Tranche 1 is only a few years from the scrapheap!! 

The Yanks can make engines. OK, Rolls Royce maybe better, but the difference between RR and GE is not that great.

[Martin_1962]

Still costs less in the long run to buy British - all the workers are paid and they pay taxes.

I have heard that in mock fights Typhoon normally wins against Raptor.

BTW Lewis Page at elreg is an ex naval officer and rather pro American military hardware.

[Martin_1962]

I should add, the Raptor is easily spotted on modern radar and I would much prefer cash spent on such things going into EU R&D (because we cant do it ourselves anymore) than across the pond.

I think that the actual design of the Typhoon is more British than any other country.

The engines are basically a Rolls Royce design but they don't claim it to keep their partners happy.

Typhoon prototype is the

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Aerospace_EAP

Yes British Aerospace

[Martin_1962]

So basically we could have built a Eurofighter without help from abroad apart from finances.

[Nickbat]

So basically we could have built a Eurofighter without help from abroad apart from finances.

I'm not decrying our skills...far from it! Remember we built the English Electric Lightning & the TSR2!

The point is, in my view, we should these days look at what provides the best for the RAF. In the cold light of day, we should not be considering jobs, merely what is best in terms of the job the RAF have to do. I am unconvinced (though willing to be swayed) that the Typhoon is better, from a BOTH a cost and performance point of view.

Go ahead, convince me!   

[feeutfo]

Yeeeahs proper topic this Nick.

[medina]

I should add, the Raptor is easily spotted on modern radar and I would much prefer cash spent on such things going into EU R&D (because we cant do it ourselves anymore) than across the pond.

It's that acronym again!

No, the US make much better planes than the Europeans, and always will.

Who cares, as long as they are competitive, its still better the cash is spent here.

But as usual, the yanks cant make engines!

really? we still hold the world records on our F-14 tomcats and F4 phantoms..for speed GE /pratt and whitnney/Yes I work on them and we train your pilots too...
thats why we no longer need pilots on our aircraft for war, in the cockpits, we now land/takeoff without pilots on aircarft carriers.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

I believe the British and European partners are making a lot of excellent aircraft that are favoured all over the world.  Indeed last year, 2010, it was the first time Airbus built more commercial aircraft than the Americans!

I cannot comment specifically on the military Typhoon myself, but all I have heard is that our pilots love them!  Typical though some of us British want to knock something we have created well.

All new aircraft have had their flaws when first introduced, but development continues and they become even more successful