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[albitz]

Is to be charged with the manslaughter of Ian Tomlinson.
Discuss ?

[51M0N]

What were the circumstances?

[Dishevelled Den]

Well, I was always mindful of the fact (and remain so) that simply because I held the Sovereign’s Warrant I was never above the law.

I saw nothing in this incident that justified Constable Harwood's actions.

Should something ever go wrong, big boy's rules will always apply to those of us seek to enforce the law of the land by such means.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13519281

[51M0N]

ahhh i remember now.

[Martian]

I saw nothing in this incident that justified Constable Harwood's actions.

Same here.
Although Ian Tomlinson was pretty drunk, he was walking away from the disturbances that were taking place and was in no way threatening at all.

PC Harwood's actions were nothing short of an all out assault that was completely unprovoked, and there is no reason he should not face the full weight of the law as any of us mere mortals would if we did the same.

[Chris_H]

I saw nothing in this incident that justified Constable Harwood's actions.

Same here.
Although Ian Tomlinson was pretty drunk, he was walking away from the disturbances that were taking place and was in no way threatening at all.

PC Harwood's actions were nothing short of an all out assault that was completely unprovoked, and there is no reason he should not face the full weight of the law as any of us mere mortals would if we did the same.

It's amazing what people deduce from limited exposure to a scenario.

I think Den was deliberately and automatically more restrained in his summary.

[jonnycool]

Was it proved that the man died directly from being shoved to the ground though? It was an assault yes, but was it responsible for killing him?

[mantahatch]

Was it proved that the man died directly from being shoved to the ground though? It was an assault yes, but was it responsible for killing him?

If it directly led to him having a herat attack then maybe. It should be noted that a heart attack does not kill you instantly. Cardiac arrest is when your heart stops beating.

If I may be a bit awkward here, if you replace police officer with 15 year old yoof, would this change anything.

Not being funny or anything, and def not trying to offend you ar anyone else.

Just my useless opinion/comments 

[Omegatoy]

far as im concerened the pc deserves everything he gets!! and i hope he gets sent down, there was absolutley no reason to do that to a passerby, he is supposed to be upholding the law and setting an example, instead he just launched himself on an innocent person!! could say a lot more but i have friends who are policemen currently serving and they are mostly a good bunch, one bad apple ruins the barrel as they say so get him out!!

[PhilRich]

far as im concerened the pc deserves everything he gets!! and i hope he gets sent down, there was absolutley no reason to do that to a passerby, he is supposed to be upholding the law and setting an example, instead he just launched himself on an innocent person!! could say a lot more but i have friends who are policemen currently serving and they are mostly a good bunch, one bad apple ruins the barrel as they say so get him out!!

Succinctly put 

[blackviper90210]

As said earlier, we've only been limited information and not the WHOLE episode. That said, it does not detract that someone lost their life.
We don't know what that man did before he was shoved/pushed, again, I'm not condoning the action or saying the Police Officer was right in anyway, just trying to look at it from all angles.
At the end of the day, we are only told what they want us to hear/see!

[tonyyeb]

Tomlinson was said to be drunk, objectionable and at least initially obstructive.
He was, however, walking away from the copper when the assault occurred, and therefore Harwood's use of force was wholly disproportionate to the level of threat.
He deserves to be charged.

[albitz]

Exactly.

[jonnycool]

Was it proved that the man died directly from being shoved to the ground though? It was an assault yes, but was it responsible for killing him?

If it directly led to him having a herat attack then maybe. It should be noted that a heart attack does not kill you instantly. Cardiac arrest is when your heart stops beating.

If I may be a bit awkward here, if you replace police officer with 15 year old yoof, would this change anything.

Not being funny or anything, and def not trying to offend you ar anyone else.

Just my useless opinion/comments 

Don't get me wrong here, if he's responsible for Ian Tomlinson's death, then he deserves all he gets, I'm just asking if all the facts have been established

[Varche]

Yes, he should get a fair trial and then if found guilty be dismissed with loss of pension etc or even prison.

The wider issues here have been missed in my mind. We(the public) ought to see the records of what was said /written down by the officers superior after the event. Also this would NEVER have got this far without the passer by video footage that was submitted. Prior to that no policeman was to blame. Maybe there is a supervisor who also needs to be brought to account ?