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[the alarming man]

I have been told by my sons solicitor ( long story), that the type of speed cameras that calculate your average speed over a set distance are useless if you change lanes.
This is based on the fact that they are set to monitor single lanes on a multi lane road.
I've not tried it, but does anyone know if this is true.

that was sort of true as the technology on old A P N R modules did not recognise the symmetry of your number plate if it was picked up by a different camera...but its not true now and we have had the  improved modules for 2 years now

[Monza]

I still dont know anyone who has a fine resulting from an Average Speed camera. So is it all a con? If so, it seems to work for 90% of the traffic, just not bikes or foreign cars. I just set the cruise at 55 mph, never caught yet! Allowing for 10% leway and the fact all cars read about 3mph out. 

[albitz]

I have been told by my sons solicitor ( long story), that the type of speed cameras that calculate your average speed over a set distance are useless if you change lanes.
This is based on the fact that they are set to monitor single lanes on a multi lane road.
I've not tried it, but does anyone know if this is true.

that was sort of true as the technology on old A P N R modules did not recognise the symmetry of your number plate if it was picked up by a different camera...but its not true now and we have had the  improved modules for 2 years now

The technology  was irrelevant. It was illegal for them to use them for different lanes, as they hadnt been type approved to do so. The law needed to be changed,or the type approval sought to allow them to be used in that way. I have heard (anecdotally) that this happened, but Im not certain.

[kevb]

that will be why it says stay in lane at the beginging of roadworks etc that have these

[Tony H]

Just buy yourself a Polish registered Opel AKA Miggy. The Polish authorities refuse to give the details of the registered keeper of the vehical to the U.K police 

[Kevin Wood]

The worrying thing about these cameras also carrying ANPR is that the movements of any individual can be monitored on a soon to be real-time basis – this raises justifiable concerns of an encroaching infringement on civil liberties.

It's very effective in combating more serious crime, though, as I'm sure you'll appreciate. I've been to a couple of presentations by the ANPR manager of a local constabulary on their network and the kind of data mining they can do to combat dangerous criminals. Quite an eye opener.

He's also very defensive about the network and where the information goes. He's not a fan of speed cameras at all because he's got bigger fish to fry and needs the public's support.

The day the network is used for summary speeding convictions, road charging, the data sold to insurance companies or used to beat us up over our carbon footprint is the day the real benefits of the network will evaporate, IMHO.

I fully expect it to happen, however.

Kevin

[tidla]

The worrying thing about these cameras also carrying ANPR is that the movements of any individual can be monitored on a soon to be real-time basis – this raises justifiable concerns of an encroaching infringement on civil liberties.

It's very effective in combating more serious crime, though, as I'm sure you'll appreciate. I've been to a couple of presentations by the ANPR manager of a local constabulary on their network and the kind of data mining they can do to combat dangerous criminals. Quite an eye opener.

He's also very defensive about the network and where the information goes. He's not a fan of speed cameras at all because he's got bigger fish to fry and needs the public's support.

The day the network is used for summary speeding convictions, road charging, the data sold to insurance companies or used to beat us up over our carbon footprint is the day the real benefits of the network will evaporate, IMHO.

I fully expect it to happen, however.

Kevin

or installed without "consultation"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10337961

most of the visable cameras (anpr) have been removed at a cost. + cost of initial installation.

[Kevin Wood]

or installed without "consultation"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10337961

most of the visable cameras (anpr) have been removed at a cost. + cost of initial installation.

That's the tip of the iceberg. They were just too obvious.

According to what this guy was saying, nothing moves on the roads without leaving a trail of evidence.

There are certainly cameras at every major road into and out of the county, and collaboration between counties should suspects move further afield.

Kevin

[Dishevelled Den]

The worrying thing about these cameras also carrying ANPR is that the movements of any individual can be monitored on a soon to be real-time basis – this raises justifiable concerns of an encroaching infringement on civil liberties.

It's very effective in combating more serious crime, though, as I'm sure you'll appreciate. I've been to a couple of presentations by the ANPR manager of a local constabulary on their network and the kind of data mining they can do to combat dangerous criminals. Quite an eye opener.

He's also very defensive about the network and where the information goes. He's not a fan of speed cameras at all because he's got bigger fish to fry and needs the public's support.

The day the network is used for summary speeding convictions, road charging, the data sold to insurance companies or used to beat us up over our carbon footprint is the day the real benefits of the network will evaporate, IMHO.

I fully expect it to happen, however.

Kevin

I certainly agree that technology has enabled the war on crime much easier to wage, and when I think back to the early days when we had one car (a 2.8 Granada) outfitted with a data terminal for text only comms in 'sensitive' operations, it is plain to see that the lack of readily useable technology had a real impact on how crime – especially serious crime - was tackled.

I have seen a lot of change in my time and now, in the final few months before I collect my pension, I can see that this job (for the non specialist officers) has grown into something far removed from the traditional and into the confrontational and pejorative.

This move is being assisted by the use of technology and it risks breaking the compact between the physical face of policing and the people being policed which, in my view, is a bad thing because if one develops a system where people feel that they can’t make a move without running the risk of coming under the notice of the authorities, those people will develop sentiments which will eventually run contrary to the very necessary relationship between the police and the public – a relationship built and maintained on the exchange of physical interaction between human beings.

We are moving, quite unmistakably, into an authoritarian state, and this technology is assisting the state to develop a means to go far beyond the apparently innocuous reasons for deploying it in the first place.

I am aware of how this data is disseminated and collated and am afraid to say it dismays me.

Technology is necessary in modern policing but the application of it, by certain elements within authority, will ultimately give good cause to those who consider that we now face living in a police state, where privacy will be lost and any transgression noted and dealt with by way of sanction, to believe that they are correct in their assumption.

[dragonlord]

swapping lane can work but it may not

reason being specs cams are paired on lanes but what lane you don't know

that's why its a bit of a gamble but most of the time you get away with it

bloody great loop hole in ANPR with fixed cams

which make a mockery of the terrorist bull shit excuse is

99% of em are front facing

so if you local Arab want to go on the rampage if they turn up on motorcycles there's no front plate to read

simple truth is now all the controlling governments wet dreams are coming true due technological advances

its all about controlling the pesants

[Kevin Wood]

I certainly agree that technology has enabled the war on crime much easier to wage, and when I think back to the early days when we had one car (a 2.8 Granada) outfitted with a data terminal for text only comms in 'sensitive' operations, it is plain to see that the lack of readily useable technology had a real impact on how crime – especially serious crime - was tackled.

I have seen a lot of change in my time and now, in the final few months before I collect my pension, I can see that this job (for the non specialist officers) has grown into something far removed from the traditional and into the confrontational and pejorative.

This move is being assisted by the use of technology and it risks breaking the compact between the physical face of policing and the people being policed which, in my view, is a bad thing because if one develops a system where people feel that they can’t make a move without running the risk of coming under the notice of the authorities, those people will develop sentiments which will eventually run contrary to the very necessary relationship between the police and the public – a relationship built and maintained on the exchange of physical interaction between human beings.

We are moving, quite unmistakably, into an authoritarian state, and this technology is assisting the state to develop a means to go far beyond the apparently innocuous reasons for deploying it in the first place.

I am aware of how this data is disseminated and collated and am afraid to say it dismays me.

Technology is necessary in modern policing but the application of it, by certain elements within authority, will ultimately give good cause to those who consider that we now face living in a police state, where privacy will be lost and any transgression noted and dealt with by way of sanction, to believe that they are correct in their assumption.

Yes, I can appreciate your concerns. 

[Vamps]

I certainly agree that technology has enabled the war on crime much easier to wage, and when I think back to the early days when we had one car (a 2.8 Granada) outfitted with a data terminal for text only comms in 'sensitive' operations, it is plain to see that the lack of readily useable technology had a real impact on how crime – especially serious crime - was tackled.

I have seen a lot of change in my time and now, in the final few months before I collect my pension, I can see that this job (for the non specialist officers) has grown into something far removed from the traditional and into the confrontational and pejorative.

This move is being assisted by the use of technology and it risks breaking the compact between the physical face of policing and the people being policed which, in my view, is a bad thing because if one develops a system where people feel that they can’t make a move without running the risk of coming under the notice of the authorities, those people will develop sentiments which will eventually run contrary to the very necessary relationship between the police and the public – a relationship built and maintained on the exchange of physical interaction between human beings.

We are moving, quite unmistakably, into an authoritarian state, and this technology is assisting the state to develop a means to go far beyond the apparently innocuous reasons for deploying it in the first place.

I am aware of how this data is disseminated and collated and am afraid to say it dismays me.

Technology is necessary in modern policing but the application of it, by certain elements within authority, will ultimately give good cause to those who consider that we now face living in a police state, where privacy will be lost and any transgression noted and dealt with by way of sanction, to believe that they are correct in their assumption.

Yes, I can appreciate your concerns. 

1984, just a bit late......

[the alarming man]

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The technology  was irrelevant. It was illegal for them to use them for different lanes, as they hadnt been type approved to do so. The law needed to be changed,or the type approval sought to allow them to be used in that way. I have heard (anecdotally) that this happened, but Im not certain. [/quote


i have been in the cctv industry for over 20 years and played with anpr for over 10 years  and trust me the technology was very relevent  as for type approval that was all down the old british standard being out of datethat is now why we work to a european standard

[albitz]

It was irrelevant in the sense that whether it worked or not, it wasnt legal to bring prosecutions with evidence which had been gathered using it -although iirc they did until some smart lawyer pointed out the error of their ways.

[Martian]

It was irrelevant in the sense that whether it worked or not, it wasnt legal to bring prosecutions with evidence which had been gathered using it -although iirc they did until some smart lawyer pointed out the error of their ways.

I still can't fathom how people are being convicted of speeding based on evidence from the LTI-2020, especially when it clocks brick walls at 58mph

http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/southwest/series7/speed-cameras.shtml