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Le Mans
« on: 11 June 2011, 19:57:21 »
Live feed here:

http://justin.tv/freddy49_lemans

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Freezes a bit, though.  :(
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Re: Le Mans
« Reply #1 on: 11 June 2011, 19:59:53 »
Already watching it. 8-)

Pining for the place, though. :'( I must go next year. :(
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Re: Le Mans
« Reply #2 on: 11 June 2011, 20:40:52 »
McNish's car looks a bit sick though    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/13738359.stm
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Re: Le Mans
« Reply #3 on: 11 June 2011, 21:19:31 »
I saw McNish crash his car live, big big off.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BghAdbFz_U[/media]

Unfortunate racing incident but very lucky that no one was hurt, the Audi was so close to clearing the barrier and wiping out a few photographers.
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Re: Le Mans
« Reply #4 on: 11 June 2011, 21:46:49 »
Second Audi (No.1) car in a heavy crash. Looks nasty.
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« Reply #5 on: 11 June 2011, 22:15:59 »
Driver (Mike Rockenfeller) got out of wreckage and got over barrier under his own steam, so hopefully OK. Amazing though that this crash was so similar to the first (tangled with slower Ferrari when overtaking).
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Re: Le Mans
« Reply #6 on: 11 June 2011, 22:32:46 »
Hmm. some very dodgy overtaking of the GT cars this year. :o LMPs used to just drive round them off the racing line but it seems this year their setup hasn't afforded them enough grip to do that so they're just barging through with the inevitable consequences. :(
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« Reply #7 on: 11 June 2011, 22:42:45 »
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Hmm. some very dodgy overtaking of the GT cars this year. :o LMPs used to just drive round them off the racing line but it seems this year their setup hasn't afforded them enough grip to do that so they're just barging through with the inevitable consequences. :(

I'd say the first crash was 50/50 and a racing incident.

Second one though the fault lies solely with the Ferrari imho.  How could he not see that Audi?!
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« Reply #8 on: 11 June 2011, 22:45:03 »
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Hmm. some very dodgy overtaking of the GT cars this year. :o LMPs used to just drive round them off the racing line but it seems this year their setup hasn't afforded them enough grip to do that so they're just barging through with the inevitable consequences. :(


Yes, Kevin, you're right. At the drivers' meeting they were told to hold the racing line and that it was down to the faster cars to figure a way round. Also, I heard someone say that the LED HIDs on the Audis are so bright that they can disorientate other drivers.  :o :o
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Re: Le Mans
« Reply #9 on: 11 June 2011, 22:54:26 »
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Hmm. some very dodgy overtaking of the GT cars this year. :o LMPs used to just drive round them off the racing line but it seems this year their setup hasn't afforded them enough grip to do that so they're just barging through with the inevitable consequences. :(

I'd say the first crash was 50/50 and a racing incident.

Second one though the fault lies solely with the Ferrari imho.  How could he not see that Audi?!

Depends, IMHO. :-/ Yes, he would undoubtedly know he was behind but could he be sure how far behind, how fast he was closing and which side he was going round? Not sure.

Slower cars are briefed to stay on the racing line, not to yield in any way to overtaking cars. The faster cars in theory should have enough in hand to pass them off the racing line, and on the occasions I've been they have had a staggering advantage in grip. A GT car can be negotiating a chicane on the ragged edge and an LMP will just drive round it like it was parked.

The footage didn't show a wide enough view to say for sure, but what if the Ferrari was following the racing line as he moved over? The LMP dived into a gap that was predictably going to be full of Ferrari very shortly.

The LMPs have had their power restricted to slow them up. I suspect that it has meant they are taking bigger risks to pass the GT cars. Unintended consequences...?
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« Reply #10 on: 11 June 2011, 22:56:38 »
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Hmm. some very dodgy overtaking of the GT cars this year. :o LMPs used to just drive round them off the racing line but it seems this year their setup hasn't afforded them enough grip to do that so they're just barging through with the inevitable consequences. :(

I'd say the first crash was 50/50 and a racing incident.

Second one though the fault lies solely with the Ferrari imho.  How could he not see that Audi?!

Depends, IMHO. :-/ Yes, he would undoubtedly know he was behind but could he be sure how far behind, how fast he was closing and which side he was going round? Not sure.

Slower cars are briefed to stay on the racing line, not to yield in any way to overtaking cars. The faster cars in theory should have enough in hand to pass them off the racing line, and on the occasions I've been they have had a staggering advantage in grip. A GT car can be negotiating a chicane on the ragged edge and an LMP will just drive round it like it was parked.

The footage didn't show a wide enough view to say for sure, but what if the Ferrari was following the racing line as he moved over? The LMP dived into a gap that was predictably going to be full of Ferrari very shortly.

The LMPs have had their power restricted to slow them up. I suspect that it has meant they are taking bigger risks to pass the GT cars. Unintended consequences...?

Henri Pescarolo just said that the very bright HIDs make it very difficult for cars in front to judge the distance. Is that car 5 metres behind or 50 metres behind?   :-?
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Re: Le Mans
« Reply #11 on: 11 June 2011, 23:14:13 »
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Hmm. some very dodgy overtaking of the GT cars this year. :o LMPs used to just drive round them off the racing line but it seems this year their setup hasn't afforded them enough grip to do that so they're just barging through with the inevitable consequences. :(


Yes, Kevin, you're right. At the drivers' meeting they were told to hold the racing line and that it was down to the faster cars to figure a way round. Also, I heard someone say that the LED HIDs on the Audis are so bright that they can disorientate other drivers.  :o :o
Not sure they can be LED and HID
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Re: Le Mans
« Reply #12 on: 11 June 2011, 23:18:09 »
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Not sure they can be LED and HID
Pretty sure they'll be HID. If they were LED there's be a bloke walking along with a candle in front of each car to help the driver out. ;D
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« Reply #13 on: 11 June 2011, 23:25:12 »
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Not sure they can be LED and HID
Pretty sure they'll be HID. If they were LED there's be a bloke walking along with a candle in front of each car to help the driver out. ;D

They are LEDs, Kevin.

"Audi has taken its LED technolgoy one step further with the innovative Audi R18 TDI: the new LMP1 is the first Le Mans sports car with full LED headlights."

http://www.automotivedesign.eu.com/article/33672/LED-technology-to-benefit-Audi-Le-Mans-challenger.aspx
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Not sure they can be LED and HID
Pretty sure they'll be HID. If they were LED there's be a bloke walking along with a candle in front of each car to help the driver out. ;D

They are LEDs, Kevin.

"Audi has taken its LED technolgoy one step further with the innovative Audi R18 TDI: the new LMP1 is the first Le Mans sports car with full LED headlights."

http://www.automotivedesign.eu.com/article/33672/LED-technology-to-benefit-Audi-Le-Mans-challenger.aspx

Wow.  :o That does surprise me.
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