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[Bionic]

Please make sensible comments only and please, please do not take this as an opportunity to poke fun or stand on a soapbox! It is far too serious a subject which directly affects us all for jokes.
Having listened to the news this morning about the shootings in Norway being related to immigration it has brought about a train of thought that it may well be more prevelant than any of us imagine. Over the years this country, and many others have taken into its arms the refugees and disaffected from many other nationalities and faiths with open arms. We have given them a comfortable life without in the main any contribution from them before they were given funds and homes we had to subsidise from our taxes. That was, and continues unabated or restricted to be a humanitarian act and one to be applauded if the circumstances were true and proven. To abuse it as it has been many times is not acceptable. In retrospect this has now bitten us all in the ass because we have literally sold out our heritage to the immigrants who now abuse the system . All you have to do is to visit any city and you will find that there are enclaves of little cities within cities of the different faiths and cultures. That is not, IMHO, and never can be described as an 'integration' into our society of immigrants and refugees of whatever calling. It appears to me that they have created their own seperate society with in ours. Surely integration means that they ought to be a part of the general population and as such be much more widely spread throughout the general population, not grouped in their own seperate enclaves? That is almost the philosphy of a Ghetto is it not?
Will a Norway scenario ever occur here? In my train of thought at some point it will most probably be inevitable I am sorry to say.
Am I personally against immigration? NO.....but it should be tightly controlled and sensible because this country is British and British the culture should mainly be. We are rapidly losing our identity and Leicester is now sadly a prime example by being the first English city where the nationality of the city population has been stated as 'equal' or 50/50.  That is an eye opener, or it should be!

[cam2502]

pretty much agree with everything you said

[mantahatch]

It is not rascist to want to stop immigration. It is rascist if you want to stop one particular group from coming here.

Personally I would stop all immigration, I do not care about who you are or where you are from or politics or your religious traits, no one, and I mean no one else to come in, including from the EU.

I would prefer if we helped out others countries to be a better place. The problem with that is the money is whisked away by corrupt charities and corrupt governments receiving monies or goods.

I do not know the answer.
 
Would suggest the immigrant communities do need to become more British if they want acceptance from people like me.

Am I rascist, do I have friends colleagues who are "different" to me. Yes I work with people from all over the world. I admit these people are some of the brightest people in the world (I am average intelligence) and are very nice people to work and socialise with. One of my closest friends is South Korean.. and in no particular order I know Germans, French, Maltese, Chinese, British Chinese, French Guyanan, Irish, Canadians and Americans. who I constantly tell the Americans I dislike their country and government and they take it a good way.

When I meet a new person one of my first questions is "where are you from" not to be rascist but to find out more about somwhere else, the thirst for knowledge if you like. Also when I meet someone from where I have been on holiday, it is good to talk about the place. If I have not been to their country it is fasinating to learn about it.

Boy can I waffle on 

[Del Boy]

I agree with everything you said mate, spot on

[russ0205]

I agree also glad someone said what a lot of us think.
Mind you in saying that our local pole carwash guys no make a good job even tho they can't understand you,

 

[sticka_v8_init]

Totally agree with Bionic Just think its a shame we can't borrow the Australian government for a while, one which cares for "home" first, has a set and is not afraid to tell it straight and act on it.

[rbrueford]

Ahhh, a topic that being a bus driver, i think i am well voiced on. Ok, im 35, when i was a kid at school, we did have a small majority of non white/uk pupils and that was the norm pretty much everywhere in Bristol (with exception to a small area called St Pauls which had the local Jamaican contingent)
Over the years, i have seen Polish, Romanian, Somalian, Cheqs (sp) et al coming to Bristol, just as they do every major city. Despite the economy not being at its best, a good percentage of these people dont work but yet still get housing and financial benefits of which we are all paying for.
The government would have us believe its not as bad as reported and that there are caps on how many are allowed into the country etc, but do you truly believe them because i dont, not by a long shot. Just yesterday, whilst driving past a council office in the centre of Bristol (Bond St for those that know) and all day, it had such a long queue of what were obviously non Brits lining the street in such numbers, there were two security guards outside, letting them in one at a time.
What do i get out of Britains willingness to keep the gates open and to multiculturalise (if thats a word) Britain? Crime has gone up (and for those that say its not simply because of immigrants, my Aunty who is a Detective Constable gave me a link to total crimes in the uk and the percentage commited by non uk nationals is rather shocking, moreso that they go to the rather extreme side of crime like rape and murder)
I totally agree with Sticka. Close the doors before it gets out of control and things go from bad to worse. Just remember we have the Olympics next year, ideal time for some minority group to get a point across dont you think and given the fact that First Bus drivers have been asked if they would like to provide transport for the Games in London at something silly like £900 a week with everything supplied (food, accom etc) simply the thought of that bus peeled open on 7/7 made my mind up for me.
On a side note, it is actually nice and conducive to be able to have a sensible conversation on the web regarding such high profile issuses without it sinking into a quagmire of racist and childish diatribe.
There endeth the speech.

[millwall]

immigration has been quite good for me  all these europeans come over become a plumber overnight and make awful mistakes and poor workmanship  so i follow up after theyve been and repair there work   on the other hand enough is enough  the country is flooded time to shut the gates and get some deporting underway  oh no we cant deport as unless they have a passport we leave them here   also i believe if a immigrant visitor or whatever we call them commits a criminal offence they should be deported straight away

[rbrueford]

Unfortunately, the Human Rights act gets somewhat in the way of sending back crimiminals.

[Bionic]

 
Got to say that the discussion I started has been responded to with serious understanding. Only hope is that the people in the position to will hear the message the greater majority of us want heard will do as we want them to and stop them bleeding our country dry and turning it into just another suburb of their own countries with no real British identity left.
No doubt it will not stay a serious post for long though once the day has passed and someone spoils it with bad humour or the soapbox effect.
 Oh yeah...Polish car cleaners are the BEST!!!!!!

[Martin_1962]

A few points to concider

1) This was a policy of the last government - to try to destroy Britishness

2) We do not complain about one of the biggesst immigrant groups and this winds up the above lot - Austrailians - the above lot seem to think they are worse than various 3rd world lots.

3) Another large group are invisible - I am classed as an immigrant despite having English parents, born on crown property - there are large numbers of us and we MUST never be blocked from entering the UK. BFPO children. The lack of a BFPO box on surveys of birth placs REALLY annoys me.

[Richie London]

how many people have actuaaly lobbioed there mp with there concerns about the amount of immigrants coming into this country, the british are no better than the govt, until this country unites as one and demands action nothing will ever be done. fair play to the edl who demos around the country in protest at the amount of mosques being built and muslim extremism and the way we have to fit in with everyone elses culture, and all the media do is try to make them the guilty party, they have stopped money being wasted in various parts of britain going to the muslim communitys where nobody else would bother. until we get out of the eu and take back control of our own country things will only get worse.

[Bionic]

Martin, Being ex-forces myself I can comment on that with personal intimate knowledge and experience of it. British Forces Post Office - BFPO, that says  all it has to. You are British and should quite rightly be recognised as such. It is not the BFPO children who are the problem. The problem is, as everyone knows, the sheer amount of the immigrants who arrive by fair means or foul then take this country for what they can get. Usually for more than this countries own natives can even apply for, let alone get. Dare I even mention it - here goes, it was the policy opf the last labour government that opened the immigration floodgates and then removed them completely. The EU, which we should never have joined, then exacerbated the problem and brought this matter to the situation we have today. Now the do-gooders salve their consciences and some have made, and do make their living from adivising them how to claim from the system of benefits which now favour them above the taxpayers who provide the capital for them. Rough words maybe, but truthful ones nevertheless! No wonder there are many divides which will probably never be closed. Add greed to that mixing pot and you have the makings for a civil war almost.....The only thing that stops it is that we are British and our 'stiff upper lip' and 'natural reservesness' and the old 'fair play' prevents anything from beginning. It is that trait which makes us the kicking post of the EU, no the whole world. Its enough to make anyone doubt their sanity

[Martin_1962]

My point is I am classed as an imigrant even though I can trace back to 15th century in England

[tigers_gonads]

A few points to concider

1) This was a policy of the last government - to try to destroy Britishness

2) We do not complain about one of the biggesst immigrant groups and this winds up the above lot - Austrailians - the above lot seem to think they are worse than various 3rd world lots.

3) Another large group are invisible - I am classed as an immigrant despite having English parents, born on crown property - there are large numbers of us and we MUST never be blocked from entering the UK. BFPO children. The lack of a BFPO box on surveys of birth placs REALLY annoys me.

[/highlight]

I'm ex forces
Agreed 100% 

This is the way I see it.

50 years ago, imigration was not a problem.
The country had the capacity for imigrants to come here, set up home for themselfs and there family.
And put something back into there new home by working hard and intigrating 

The problem nowdays is that this island is FULL
Those that come here only come for the "free money" 
They do not want to be apart of Great Britian. They don't want to intigrate with our culture or speak our language yet we just roll over and let them walk over our traditions and beliefs 
There are 1000's of so called refugies sat in camps in France with only on aim and that is to get across the channel, walk into the nearest social security office and demand money, clothing, phones, and a house and they get them 

IMO we should tell the EU to stick it where the sun don't shine, scrap the human rights bill and set up our own constitution which says too the imigrants and scum that flood our shores ............. If you come here you ............

Speak English as your 1st language.
Make a effort to intigrate with the indigenous population.
Respect our laws and traditions FIRST, then we will respect your traditions.
If they don't like it that ................. [size=14]break OFF  [/size]