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[Nickbat]

My view on immigration is that it is like culinary seasoning. Without it, a dish can seem bland. Adding seasoning brings out the best. However there is an optimum level, beyond which the dish becomes less pleasant. If continued, the dish becomes unpalatable and the original flavour is lost. I would suggest we may well be approaching that stage in the UK.   

[Martin_1962]

My view on immigration is that it is like culinary seasoning. Without it, a dish can seem bland. Adding seasoning brings out the best. However there is an optimum level, beyond which the dish becomes less pleasant. If continued, the dish becomes unpalatable and the original flavour is lost. I would suggest we may well be approaching that stage in the UK.   

That was the New Labour experiment

[Rods2]

Agree with all of this, a small amount of migration and their assimilation into UK society has been going on for centuries and has never been a big problem. I think their food and cultures have added a lot to this country.

I'm not a racist as there only two types of people to me, those I get on with, and those that I don't. I have met good and bad in many different communities.

Mass migration first started in the 1950's and this has led to the creation of gettos and major crime and social problems.

The mega mass migration under the 13 years of the last Labour is causing major problems with crime and assimilation and fighting between groups from different countries that traditionally hate each other. Friends of mine in ethnic communities have also hated this mass migration as it has created major problems in their communities!

Governments that like mass migration love all of these problems as whole new empires of Public Servants can be created, social workers, minority outreach workers, translators, more police, court officials, prison and probation officers and all of the layers of management that goes with it... which with their heavy unionization means they get more political and union donations, to strengthen their political party, so they are more likely to get elected. (This is a positive feedback loop, which is why all Labour administrations in history have ALWAYS run out of public money).   

I look at multiculturalism, if it was applied to all of the countries in the world, it would make all societies bland and the same, a bit like modern shopping centres full of multiples all selling the same product lines at the same prices!

You go into any pub and start to talk to people and they all moan about mass migration, along the lines in this forum, so I think most people, don't like what has happened.

The only good thing I can see from this mass migration is that it has boosted the number of working people to pensioners, so the aging of the population in this country will cause less problems, but this could have also been solved, by housing being more affordable and the tax system more sympathetic to the creation of families. 

[Bionic]

 First things first....The BFPO fiasco. This needs to be sorted asap because those children were born of British parents serving abroad doing active service for their country which was, and is Britain. That should be the basic fact which makes them full British citizens but who by their birthplace could if they wished to adopt a dual nationality. It is crap to suggest or imply or make them non-citizens and force them to be immigrants! Ludicrous, only Mp's could think up that one. We finally gave those hard working Ghurkas the right after many years of abandonment only because some cinema star brought their case and plight into the view of the general public. It was the ensuing outcry that forced the government to do a quick about face. The same effect should be made to happen for the BFPO children many of whom are now adults.It must truly be a rotten feeling to feel that your country has abandoned you,  Lets work to put that wrong right! I will now write to the MP's in this area and hope other oofers will too in their areas. Its a starting point at the very least. I shall ask why those born of british parents serving abroad are not allowed full citizenship due to the fault of this countries policies of not allowing them to return to its shores for the birth. Should they in future erect maternity hospitals inside all of the British consular compounds abroad which would then ensure the children were 'native' British born on British soil? After all - is that not the rules of the political game which is many times abused for some foreign diplomat to evade our laws and justice?
Great, So up to now it would appear that from the cross section of society that has answered the post it looks like it is high time that whatever authority is involved it needs to pull its fingers out of its assess, its thumb out its bum and their brains out of nuetral and get on with a solution that is permanent and that seen to be done and WORKS. It also looks like we all are fully aware of where the problem originated....with Blair and his over-educated self important wife (clone of blair with no dick) and her 'lets do a human rights act that will screw britain' philosophy. Any government following them into office would face an almost (ALMOST not impossible) task of reversing the damage they had done before dissapearing into the woodwork like the parasites they were. Labour would again have to be totally reinvented had they got in. Now we are left with a government that is try its best to satisfy everyone and it is not working as far as immigration is concerned. They need to bite the bullet and do what it takes to resolve it no matter what the rest of the world of begging countries, or their supporters think.
This is OUR country and we should reclaim it. Any do-gooder with a different point of view should emigrate to their country of choice whom they give their support to and then accept it. Their constant harping and begging demands are destroying this country but worst of all they are now putting their causes above those of their own country which is Britain! That almost amounts to treason in my book....
  Thanks all for participating and it looks like this will roll on for a bit longer yet. The more that read it the better because it brings the subject matter out of the shadows and may even start a campaign to rectify the wrongs it highlights.

[Martin_1962]

I am a full citizen but I still fit on the immigrant list.

There are no plans to marginialise us but we do get used for statistics.

My birth certificate is British and says Malta.

[jerry]

cant see anything to disagree with in your original post at all Bionic. Some people seem to think that immigration will lead to integration but (whilst this may ultimately occur) the truth often looks like seperatism. There is nothing wrong in a degree of immigration but there ARE fiscal concerns as well as cultural ones. This is not a racist outlook. There are a lot of positives in multiculturism and it can be enriching-but only if people are respectful of each other. And that doesnt matter whether you're talking about Asians/Africans/East Europeans ,Muslims or Jews, Scousers or Cockneys  TBH, it wasnt until I got hooked on Jo Nesbo's books about a Norwegian detective that I was aware of the strong feelings over there around immigration and the strenghth of the right wing neo-nazi faction. What happened over there is clearly a great tragedy but regardless of the motivation , allowing any "nutter" (very PC I know) access to a gun could -and has-lead to similar here.

[Richie London]

cant see anything to disagree with in your original post at all Bionic. Some people seem to think that immigration will lead to integration but (whilst this may ultimately occur) the truth often looks like seperatism. There is nothing wrong in a degree of immigration but there ARE fiscal concerns as well as cultural ones. This is not a racist outlook. There are a lot of positives in multiculturism and it can be enriching-but only if people are respectful of each other. And that doesnt matter whether you're talking about Asians/Africans/East Europeans ,Muslims or Jews, Scousers or Cockneys  TBH, it wasnt until I got hooked on Jo Nesbo's books about a Norwegian detective that I was aware of the strong feelings over there around immigration and the strenghth of the right wing neo-nazi faction. What happened over there is clearly a great tragedy but regardless of the motivation , allowing any "nutter" (very PC I know) access to a gun could -and has-lead to similar here.

getting a gun in this country is easier than getting a bank account.

[Bionic]

Nickbat is about right cos Leicester has its eyes on being the curry capital of britain according to the local rag. The flavours here have already been ruined......
Also
Can't disagree there richie, but what I have noticed is that most appear to be 'available' within the immigrant and ethnic community. It began, I think with the arrival of the 'yardie' culture (whatever that is or was) and seems to have grown since. Nottingham of all places was named some time ago as the gun capital of England if I recall it correctly. Only way to stop it would be for the sentences to match the seriousness of the crime and life in prison to mean natural life without ever any release date, until death inside prison in fact. All prison sentences for gun crime should be the full sentence served without luxuries or parole or time off for good behaviour etc. Best of all would be to say sod the namby pamby objectors and bring back the death penalty. If dna proof is so positive then where can the objection be to that sort of proof supported evidence? It would cost the tax payer far less too than keeping the human detritous (waste material) so long in prison too. I am sure many would volunteer to shove the needle in.......I would be amonst the first to volunteer my services freely and lose no sleep at all over it. At least it would also give me a job cos I am too old and knackered for any other

[Martin_1962]

DNA is not conclusive it is a checksum comparison - hence why storing everyones would not work.

There could be 100s of matches if you had everyone compared to 1 or 2 when just known problems.

[Bionic]

That is  not the information I have been able to gather on the reliability of DNA. The fact is that you stand far more chance of winning the National Lottery jackpoy twice in a row and the Euro Millions too. Sorry, but the odds are so great that DNA evidence should be acceptable as absolute proof because the results that it gives, depending on the number of 'individual markers' in each sample makes it foolproof. Cases such as the most serious ones would obviously have to utilise the maximum number of markers in the comparison samples after which there could be no errors in identification at all - not even in twins. If the DNA comparison was not an accurate and reliable method then anyone could plead that it was not me it was my twin or doppleganger! 

[rbrueford]

I am ex forces as well (a lot of us on here so it would seem   ) but was fortunate not to have been born into a military family. I can trace my family roots back to the 1100's at last look (the internet is a fantastic tool for that) but then the history goes a bit weird as our name came about then (just for the history buffs, where most surnames are indicitive of a trade, ie Baker, Smith etc) mine is from the days when we used to charge people to ford the river Brue in Somerset. I can trace my history back so far but sometimes, even i feel like a foreigner in my own country.
I think that the open door policy should have been closed a long time ago as i am sure that one of the main problems we have is a financial one. Forget about the crime stats etc, to solve all of that all costs money of which i am sure the local councils could well do with spending on rather more important things than building accomodation that faces Mecca (or whatever it is). Thats not made up either as my sister does buildsite cleanups and that was one of her contracts. Speaking to a friend of mine in the council and i was informed that the flats would not be available to people of British descent and only to foreign nationals. We have people form our Armed services being made homeless upon leaving the forces and offering their life for the protection of us and what do they get in return? As much help the British legion can give (which isnt really a lot as much as they do help) and not a lot else.
Tis a subject i could go on for hours about but i shall let it rest for the evening