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Calling Computer Memory Experts
« on: 07 August 2011, 07:26:40 »

I have a Toshiba Satellite C660 laptop.

Crucial quote 2 different memory upgrades (both the same price).

DDR3 PC3-8500 or DDR3 PC3-10600.

Does it matter which one I buy, or is one better than the other?
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Re: Calling Computer Memory Experts
« Reply #1 on: 07 August 2011, 08:01:34 »

 DDR3 PC3-10600 is faster :y
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« Reply #2 on: 07 August 2011, 08:02:16 »

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« Reply #3 on: 07 August 2011, 08:37:51 »

Whatever you decide will be governed by what the mainboard you have's compatability of it. Some boards will accept far higher speeds than others so check the models' version of your mainboard and ensure you have the latest BIOS version installed for it.
Worst case scenario is that if you do buy from Crucial and it is the wrong one after following their advice they will usually exchange it for you.
In my experience, and I have been building PC's since DOS was the only operating system (very old git and geek) the faster speed will not necessarily increase your PC's performance because it is not only the memory which affects the PC's speed. CPU power and HDD access speeds also affect it as does the general basic setup of how the BIOS operates and controls it. Then there is the 32 or 64 Bit versions with 64Bit being the faster.
First thing you should do is to completely clean out all of the bits and pieces of programs etc that you no longer use and do a deep Disk Clean, Registry Clean and a Defragment of the HDD.
Hope that it does not put you off but better to try to improve the performance before spending money out that maybe you do not have to.
You can also PM me if you need more advice  :y
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« Reply #4 on: 07 August 2011, 08:49:45 »

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Whatever you decide will be governed by what the mainboard you have's compatability of it. Some boards will accept far higher speeds than others so check the models' version of your mainboard and ensure you have the latest BIOS version installed for it.
Worst case scenario is that if you do buy from Crucial and it is the wrong one after following their advice they will usually exchange it for you.
In my experience, and I have been building PC's since DOS was the only operating system (very old git and geek) the faster speed will not necessarily increase your PC's performance because it is not only the memory which affects the PC's speed. CPU power and HDD access speeds also affect it as does the general basic setup of how the BIOS operates and controls it. Then there is the 32 or 64 Bit versions with 64Bit being the faster.
First thing you should do is to completely clean out all of the bits and pieces of programs etc that you no longer use and do a deep Disk Clean, Registry Clean and a Defragment of the HDD.
Hope that it does not put you off but better to try to improve the performance before spending money out that maybe you do not have to.
You can also PM me if you need more advice  :y

Thanks for the advice, the Toshiba only has 2Gb of memory running Win7 64bit, BIOS is the latest version.

It's a new machine (3 months old), registry, disk etc are fine.

It runs reasonably well, most of the time, except when I upload photos etc, more memory has got to be an improvement, and it's cheap enough.
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« Reply #5 on: 07 August 2011, 09:19:58 »

The PC3-10600 is faster, and if there isn't much difference in price then buy it.
Some BIOS's allow the system memory to run at a faster bus speed than the CPU (which does make a slight difference), but even if yours doesn't it won't matter as the faster RAM will simply be clocked down by the motherboard to match the existing bus speeds.
If your BIOS allows you to select between single or dual channel mode to run the memory, then go for the latter as it will give a noticeable boost in memory intensive apps (eg, Photoshop).

Having more than 2GB on Win 7 (even if it is 64 bit) is not going to make a blind bit of difference to uploading photo's though, so if there is a problem in that department for you then that lies elsewhere.
If you want to see a real speed boost within Windows (or any OS come to that), then swap the standard hard disk out for an SSD.
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Re: Calling Computer Memory Experts
« Reply #6 on: 07 August 2011, 09:27:03 »

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Whatever you decide will be governed by what the mainboard you have's compatability of it. Some boards will accept far higher speeds than others so check the models' version of your mainboard and ensure you have the latest BIOS version installed for it.
Worst case scenario is that if you do buy from Crucial and it is the wrong one after following their advice they will usually exchange it for you.
In my experience, and I have been building PC's since DOS was the only operating system (very old git and geek) the faster speed will not necessarily increase your PC's performance because it is not only the memory which affects the PC's speed. CPU power and HDD access speeds also affect it as does the general basic setup of how the BIOS operates and controls it. Then there is the 32 or 64 Bit versions with 64Bit being the faster.
First thing you should do is to completely clean out all of the bits and pieces of programs etc that you no longer use and do a deep Disk Clean, Registry Clean and a Defragment of the HDD.
Hope that it does not put you off but better to try to improve the performance before spending money out that maybe you do not have to.
You can also PM me if you need more advice  :y

Thanks for the advice, the Toshiba only has 2Gb of memory running Win7 64bit, BIOS is the latest version.

It's a new machine (3 months old), registry, disk etc are fine.

It runs reasonably well, most of the time, except when I upload photos etc, more memory has got to be an improvement, and it's cheap enough.

Nothing to do with hardware specs, thats your ISP's upload speed. Always going to struggle with that at home environment, its never going to be fast. Re-size photos to dramatically reduce file sizes, uploading shots taken straight from the camera can be around 3mb+ easy, re-size and your talking just a few hundred kb.  :y
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Re: Calling Computer Memory Experts
« Reply #7 on: 07 August 2011, 09:44:02 »

I keep gettings warnings about high memory usage by IE.
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Re: Calling Computer Memory Experts
« Reply #8 on: 07 August 2011, 09:53:20 »

What does Task Manager say is using the memory?
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Re: Calling Computer Memory Experts
« Reply #9 on: 07 August 2011, 10:25:38 »

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What does Task Manager say is using the memory?

IE about 84,000k

76% physical memory usage.
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« Reply #10 on: 07 August 2011, 12:59:09 »

its hard to tell which one is better from its speed rating/frequency etc..  as said above some mobos suuport detailed tuning on rams so you can arrange from bios.. some automatically arrange the speed etc.. best way is to bring the lappy to the shop.. load some bench mark software and test both rams with it.. however, in any case even a faster ram can create reliability problems.. so go for well known brands like Kingston , Corsair etc.. 
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« Reply #11 on: 07 August 2011, 15:39:18 »

Important - If you swap for an SSD remember that if you defrag it you will knacker it.  :y
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« Reply #12 on: 07 August 2011, 17:13:42 »

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Important - If you swap for an SSD remember that if you defrag it you will knacker it.  :y
Not strictly true.
The reason you don't defrag an SSD is because it increases the number of read/write cycles, which in turn impacts on it's potential lifespan as they are limited to a finite amount of read/writes.

Having said that, an SSD isn't bothered how fragmented it is because the access times are sub 1ms thanks to direct access.
Flash memory is also advancing at a fair rate in the reliability stakes, the MTBF on my current SSD (Corsair C300 - 256GB) equates to 137 years of real life use and I'll be long gone before that time comes up.
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« Reply #13 on: 07 August 2011, 17:18:50 »

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What does Task Manager say is using the memory?

IE about 84,000k

76% physical memory usage.
No real cause for concern there, I'm using 91,000K right now as I type this.

Aside from uploading pics, are there any other speed issues when uploading that seem to show you aren't getting the upload speed offered by your ISP?

Also, who is your ISP, are you Cable or ADSL, and what package are you meant to have?
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What does Task Manager say is using the memory?

IE about 84,000k

76% physical memory usage.
No real cause for concern there, I'm using 91,000K right now as I type this.

Aside from uploading pics, are there any other speed issues when uploading that seem to show you aren't getting the upload speed offered by your ISP?

Also, who is your ISP, are you Cable or ADSL, and what package are you meant to have?

With this forum open I'm using 145,000k.

No ISP problems.
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