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[feeutfo]

there is no reason for those drivers to die in that violent conditions.. its not logical to make them race between trees which is bloody deadly..simple precautions would prevent most of those deaths ..

Absolutely, but I think we have gone too far now.

Most circuits have to have such large run-off areas, that the spectators are now too far removed - possibly one of the reasons Monaco still has a certain 'magic' about it, despite no overtaking.  As you know, I live just down the road from Silverstone, so frequently go to free events and track days. Apart from the (old) start/finish straight, you are so far away from the track, you can't see the details on the cars, and lose the sensation of their speed.

Sport is for the spectators - they pay for it - so, yes, it needs armco everywhere, and safety fences to catch flying debris, but don't take the excitement away from those paying to watch it.

But the biggest issue IMHO, is sorting out true overtaking (not the pointless, artificial DRS tosh they have now).  The drivers clearly lack the absolute fire to win at all costs - when they do discover this burning desire, excitement follows, Button's Championship winning Brazil race are a prime example.  Schumacher, love him or hate him, was probably the last of the F1 drivers to exhibit this trait.

Tyre changes (for dry races) are going to have to be stopped, because its currently the easiest way to overtake. Which leads to the bizarre situation that all the excitement happens off the track.



So, 'when men were men' was a more exciting time, because they were prepared to have a go. It seemed each race was its own race, whereas now, the annual championship is more important, and the gay poofter drivers will happily sit behind another, and get a point, rather than try their very best.

...it's simply not acceptable to have drivers dieing 2 or 3 a season. Not even one a season. The rest is a buy product of that fact...

...as you would say yourself, accept it and move on.

[cem_devecioglu]

there is no reason for those drivers to die in that violent conditions.. its not logical to make them race between trees which is bloody deadly..simple precautions would prevent most of those deaths ..

Absolutely, but I think we have gone too far now.

Most circuits have to have such large run-off areas, that the spectators are now too far removed - possibly one of the reasons Monaco still has a certain 'magic' about it, despite no overtaking.  As you know, I live just down the road from Silverstone, so frequently go to free events and track days. Apart from the (old) start/finish straight, you are so far away from the track, you can't see the details on the cars, and lose the sensation of their speed.

Sport is for the spectators - they pay for it - so, yes, it needs armco everywhere, and safety fences to catch flying debris, but don't take the excitement away from those paying to watch it.

But the biggest issue IMHO, is sorting out true overtaking (not the pointless, artificial DRS tosh they have now).  The drivers clearly lack the absolute fire to win at all costs - when they do discover this burning desire, excitement follows, Button's Championship winning Brazil race are a prime example.  Schumacher, love him or hate him, was probably the last of the F1 drivers to exhibit this trait.

Tyre changes (for dry races) are going to have to be stopped, because its currently the easiest way to overtake. Which leads to the bizarre situation that all the excitement happens off the track.



So, 'when men were men' was a more exciting time, because they were prepared to have a go. It seemed each race was its own race, whereas now, the annual championship is more important, and the gay poofter drivers will happily sit behind another, and get a point, rather than try their very best.

getting points for those races become the ultimate goal now.. yep..  so everybody tries to stay on road instead of real racing.. and really destroys the joy..


also spectators cant see them from close distances for safety reasons..

however,  human life is more precious than any race or joy.. so I think sacrificing some of it not that bad..

[TheBoy]

...it's simply not acceptable to have drivers dieing 2 or 3 a season. Not even one a season. The rest is a buy product of that fact...

...as you would say yourself, accept it and move on.

Its not acceptable to have even 1 death, in pursuit of a spectator sport like F1.  Sadly, this can never be 100% achieved, as freak events will always happen - by rights, Massa is alive more by luck.

But it is a spectator sport, so they need to find more innovative ways of reducing risks than moving the spectators miles away. Whats the next step, ban spectators? I wouldn't put that past F1, as they seem to have forgotten who/what they are there for.  Just thinking aloud, a 'bumper bar' around car to prevent wheel on wheel contact, to stop car launching. Or the sidepods have to sit proud of the wheels?


Doesnt get away from the fundamental issue that the drivers don't want to overtake.

[cem_devecioglu]

...it's simply not acceptable to have drivers dieing 2 or 3 a season. Not even one a season. The rest is a buy product of that fact...

...as you would say yourself, accept it and move on.

Its not acceptable to have even 1 death, in pursuit of a spectator sport like F1.  Sadly, this can never be 100% achieved, as freak events will always happen - by rights, Massa is alive more by luck.

But it is a spectator sport, so they need to find more innovative ways of reducing risks than moving the spectators miles away. Whats the next step, ban spectators? I wouldn't put that past F1, as they seem to have forgotten who/what they are there for.  Just thinking aloud, a 'bumper bar' around car to prevent wheel on wheel contact, to stop car launching. Or the sidepods have to sit proud of the wheels?


Doesnt get away from the fundamental issue that the drivers don't want to overtake.

thats strictly necessary.. andI believe sooner or later F1 will have it..

[TheBoy]

...it's simply not acceptable to have drivers dieing 2 or 3 a season. Not even one a season. The rest is a buy product of that fact...

...as you would say yourself, accept it and move on.

Its not acceptable to have even 1 death, in pursuit of a spectator sport like F1.  Sadly, this can never be 100% achieved, as freak events will always happen - by rights, Massa is alive more by luck.

But it is a spectator sport, so they need to find more innovative ways of reducing risks than moving the spectators miles away. Whats the next step, ban spectators? I wouldn't put that past F1, as they seem to have forgotten who/what they are there for.  Just thinking aloud, a 'bumper bar' around car to prevent wheel on wheel contact, to stop car launching. Or the sidepods have to sit proud of the wheels?


Doesnt get away from the fundamental issue that the drivers don't want to overtake.

thats strictly necessary.. andI believe sooner or later F1 will have it..

Whilst a bit of 'argy bargy' is exciting in non-single seater, I think they would have to devise a method to punish drivers making excessive use of them, if its to remain non contact...  ...although it would make mad dashes up the inside more common

[albitz]

TB is right.Something had to be done about the drivers dying year after year, but it has all gone too far.

[feeutfo]

Fundamentally flawed point TB. I've not been to an F1 race but been to the uk circuits they use to spectate other motor sport events, and always the most popular view point is one that sees the longest portion of the track, if not all of it. Which by definition is also always a considerable difference from track side.

And I have to say, vehicles with a much smaller performance envelope still vault the fence on tracks initially designed during the war. Clearly as performance improves inevitably run off needs to be extended...

... I'm having trouble understanding the need to focus on every bloody thing else except the simple and unadulterated speed of the event.

Go watch touring cars! terribly sorry old boy, I am a little tired. They still drop out at the slightest touch, bent control arms and wheels falling off at the slightest sniff of another car along side.

[albitz]

I can remember watching them from the banking on paddock bend at Brands.Thats not very far back from the track.
Of course they are all too gay to go there now.

[tunnie]

There was an interview with Guy Martin I saw this year for the TT, he said one of the reasons he raced was because it's dangerous, if it makes a mistake, he's dead. Thats the appeal for him!

3 people died at this years TT, the died loved that they where doing, despite the risks. Just hope the PC, H&S squad don't decide to "improve" the TT

[feeutfo]

I can remember watching them from the banking on paddock bend at Brands.Thats not very far back from the track.
Of course they are all too gay to go there now.

And if you'd been there at all recently you could have stood at the top of the stand opposite the pit exit and seen the entire short circuit! No chance of seeing the rest of the full international circuit where the proper accidents happen, in stead of where the gay spectators stand and paddock hill. Although if F1 went there now I think I know where Albs should stand.   

[feeutfo]

There was an interview with Guy Martin I saw this year for the TT, he said one of the reasons he raced was because it's dangerous, if it makes a mistake, he's dead. Thats the appeal for him!

3 people died at this years TT, the died loved that they where doing, despite the risks. Just hope the PC, H&S squad don't decide to "improve" the TT

That event only survives due to IOM govt. greed! Fantastic as it is now, they should build a new long short circuit from one of the fantasy race track threads dotted around the WWW and keep some exceptionally talented people around...

... But, as I keep telling myself when one of the lads at work asks for advice re his racing, re lines, gearing, various circuits, suspension set up(no idea ) if it wasn't for racing itself he'd be riding the same on public roads.

Anyway, f1 is the pinnacle of speed! There is nothing more with corners. If you don't like it go find something better. And of course there IS nothing better.

[albitz]

I can remember watching them from the banking on paddock bend at Brands.Thats not very far back from the track.
Of course they are all too gay to go there now.

And if you'd been there at all recently you could have stood at the top of the stand opposite the pit exit and seen the entire short circuit! No chance of seeing the rest of the full international circuit where the proper accidents happen, in stead of where the gay spectators stand and paddock hill. Although if F1 went there now I think I know where Albs should stand.   

That was the first time I had been to a circuit outside Ireland.If I went now, I would be watching from out the back somewhere.
In fact when I used to go to WSB/BSB there, I used to work my way around the circuit during the day to see different parts of the track throughout the meeting.

[feeutfo]

I can remember watching them from the banking on paddock bend at Brands.Thats not very far back from the track.
Of course they are all too gay to go there now.

And if you'd been there at all recently you could have stood at the top of the stand opposite the pit exit and seen the entire short circuit! No chance of seeing the rest of the full international circuit where the proper accidents happen, in stead of where the gay spectators stand and paddock hill. Although if F1 went there now I think I know where Albs should stand.   

That was the first time I had been to a circuit outside Ireland.If I went now, I would be watching from out the back somewhere.
In fact when I used to go to WSB/BSB there, I used to work my way around the circuit during the day to see different parts of the track throughout the meeting.

Bikes regularly clear the fences there Albs. BSB is always carnage. Deaths are sadly quite regular. A lad was bieved D.O.A. after a prang at Cadwell last weekend, he hit pit wall. On a straight.

Ride a few circuits Albs. See how your opinions develop then!

[albitz]

There was an interview with Guy Martin I saw this year for the TT, he said one of the reasons he raced was because it's dangerous, if it makes a mistake, he's dead. Thats the appeal for him!

3 people died at this years TT, the died loved that they where doing, despite the risks. Just hope the PC, H&S squad don't decide to "improve" the TT

That event only survives due to IOM govt. greed! Fantastic as it is now, they should build a new long short circuit from one of the fantasy race track threads dotted around the WWW and keep some exceptionally talented people around...

... But, as I keep telling myself when one of the lads at work asks for advice re his racing, re lines, gearing, various circuits, suspension set up(no idea ) if it wasn't for racing itself he'd be riding the same on public roads.

Anyway, f1 is the pinnacle of speed! There is nothing more with corners. If you don't like it go find something better. And of course there IS nothing better.

Thats crap. It survives because it is the most prestigious motorcycle race in the world and people still queue up to compete on it as its the ultimate challenge for rider and machine.
The kind of people who still view short circuits as sterile,neutered and geared for those who have no sense of history or real passion for the ultimate (and therefore most dangerous) of experiences.It is thankfully devoid of the types who started going to watch bikes when Fogarty was winning and stopped going when Hodgson breaked off to the U.S.
People who appreciate the Joey Dunlops of this world as opposed to the Casey Stoners.

[tunnie]

I did watch some WSB after getting back from IOM TT, to be honest, it was rather dull compared to TT. Oh look he fellt off slid 100m and he's on the bike and off again.