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Author Topic: Grand Prix: The Killer years.  (Read 3488 times)

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feeutfo

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Grand Prix: The Killer years.
« on: 20 August 2011, 23:00:07 »

Film. Is repeated tomorrow night at 11.35pm on BBC2.

In case anyone missed it last time round, definitely worth a look.

Should carry en "E" certificate for "Emotional"... As I recall.

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Re: Grand Prix: The Killer years.
« Reply #1 on: 20 August 2011, 23:06:04 »

When men were men....... ;)
Different mentality to todays world.These chaps had survived being WW2 fighter pilots etc. and wanted to replace that buzz. That mentality carried on well into the 70,s and really only started disappearing after the dreadful events of 1982.
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Re: Grand Prix: The Killer years.
« Reply #2 on: 20 August 2011, 23:08:24 »

F1 is far too safe these days.
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feeutfo

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Re: Grand Prix: The Killer years.
« Reply #3 on: 20 August 2011, 23:12:49 »

...trying to remember, did they mention that Villineuve fellow...?  ::)
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Re: Grand Prix: The Killer years.
« Reply #4 on: 20 August 2011, 23:18:35 »

You mean, the fastest,bravest, most naturally talented man ever to sit in a racing car ?  ;) :)
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Re: Grand Prix: The Killer years.
« Reply #5 on: 21 August 2011, 01:02:00 »

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You mean, the fastest,bravest, most naturally talented man ever to sit in a racing car ?  ;) :)
Well did they?... As I'm sure you saw the film first time round.
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Re: Grand Prix: The Killer years.
« Reply #6 on: 21 August 2011, 07:20:13 »

I watched in youtube.. interesting.. and very sad..

there is no reason for those drivers to die in that violent conditions.. its not logical to make them race between trees which is bloody deadly..simple precautions would prevent most of those deaths ..

and I'm happy they win at the end.. and imo its not related to being a real man.. what ? you die and you proove that you have no fear..nonsense.. even in early sixties those cars reach 400 hp.. and those small chasis with that power and dangerous tracks is simply a death trap.. nothing else..

capitalism, dont care about human lifes >:(
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Re: Grand Prix: The Killer years.
« Reply #7 on: 21 August 2011, 07:31:36 »

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I watched in youtube.. interesting.. and very sad..

there is no reason for those drivers to die in that violent conditions.. its not logical to make them race between trees which is bloody deadly..simple precautions would prevent most of those deaths ..

and I'm happy they win at the end.. and imo its not related to being a real man.. what ? you die and you proove that you have no fear..nonsense.. even in early sixties those cars reach 400 hp.. and those small chasis with that power and dangerous tracks is simply a death trap.. nothing else..

capitalism, dont care about human lifes >:(
Well said Cem
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Re: Grand Prix: The Killer years.
« Reply #8 on: 21 August 2011, 07:34:00 »

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I watched in youtube.. interesting.. and very sad..

there is no reason for those drivers to die in that violent conditions.. its not logical to make them race between trees which is bloody deadly..simple precautions would prevent most of those deaths ..

and I'm happy they win at the end.. and imo its not related to being a real man.. what ? you die and you proove that you have no fear..nonsense.. even in early sixties those cars reach 400 hp.. and those small chasis with that power and dangerous tracks is simply a death trap.. nothing else..

capitalism, dont care about human lifes >:(
Well said Cem

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« Reply #9 on: 21 August 2011, 07:47:25 »

at the last moments of film I have watched a driver desperately trying to save a friend where only few tried to help , and the passing drivers didnt even stop..

I can feel how was for him.. and the driver burned to death in front of everybody's eyes.. thats unacceptable.. :'(
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« Reply #10 on: 21 August 2011, 08:31:24 »

 the death of Ayrton Senna.. even how small details can kill you.. :(

part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfIil0oxddo

part2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xElXcF254lI


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« Reply #11 on: 21 August 2011, 09:21:06 »

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I watched in youtube.. interesting.. and very sad..

there is no reason for those drivers to die in that violent conditions.. its not logical to make them race between trees which is bloody deadly..simple precautions would prevent most of those deaths ..

and I'm happy they win at the end.. and imo its not related to being a real man.. what ? you die and you proove that you have no fear..nonsense.. even in early sixties those cars reach 400 hp.. and those small chasis with that power and dangerous tracks is simply a death trap.. nothing else..

capitalism, dont care about human lifes >:(
Well said Cem

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Take no notice cem, if Banjax was here they could talk to him about it and the rest of us could ignore their entire conversation. I suppose old Bj did have a use after all.  ;D
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Re: Grand Prix: The Killer years.
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feeutfo

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Re: Grand Prix: The Killer years.
« Reply #13 on: 21 August 2011, 10:23:53 »

Certainly some bollix there... But.  :-/

http://www.ayrton-senna.com/s-files/picsf03.html
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Re: Grand Prix: The Killer years.
« Reply #14 on: 21 August 2011, 10:29:10 »

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there is no reason for those drivers to die in that violent conditions.. its not logical to make them race between trees which is bloody deadly..simple precautions would prevent most of those deaths ..
Absolutely, but I think we have gone too far now.

Most circuits have to have such large run-off areas, that the spectators are now too far removed - possibly one of the reasons Monaco still has a certain 'magic' about it, despite no overtaking.  As you know, I live just down the road from Silverstone, so frequently go to free events and track days. Apart from the (old) start/finish straight, you are so far away from the track, you can't see the details on the cars, and lose the sensation of their speed.

Sport is for the spectators - they pay for it - so, yes, it needs armco everywhere, and safety fences to catch flying debris, but don't take the excitement away from those paying to watch it.

But the biggest issue IMHO, is sorting out true overtaking (not the pointless, artificial DRS tosh they have now).  The drivers clearly lack the absolute fire to win at all costs - when they do discover this burning desire, excitement follows, Button's Championship winning Brazil race are a prime example.  Schumacher, love him or hate him, was probably the last of the F1 drivers to exhibit this trait.

Tyre changes (for dry races) are going to have to be stopped, because its currently the easiest way to overtake. Which leads to the bizarre situation that all the excitement happens off the track.



So, 'when men were men' was a more exciting time, because they were prepared to have a go. It seemed each race was its own race, whereas now, the annual championship is more important, and the gay poofter drivers will happily sit behind another, and get a point, rather than try their very best.
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