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[Darth Loo-knee]

Apparently the ECU want to change this that and the other and so there is going to be a Ride Out

If your interested have a look here. It gives all the starting places too

http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883

[Nickbat]

Apparently the ECU want to change this that and the other and so there is going to be a Ride Out

If your interested have a look here. It gives all the starting places too

http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883

And people on here think I bang on too much about the EU. It really has its fingers in everything we do.

And remember, these proposals come from the Euopean Commission, which is made up of unelected bureaucrats and proposes legislation. The EU Parliament cannot propose legislation, merely vote on what is put before them and, with the block systems in place, and many MEPs absent for extended periods, laws get through without any problem. It truly is the reverse of democracy. I wish the bikers well, but fear they are on a hiding to nothing. 

[Darth Loo-knee]

Apparently the ECU want to change this that and the other and so there is going to be a Ride Out

If your interested have a look here. It gives all the starting places too

http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883

And people on here think I bang on too much about the EU. It really has its fingers in everything we do.

And remember, these proposals come from the Euopean Commission, which is made up of unelected bureaucrats and proposes legislation. The EU Parliament cannot propose legislation, merely vote on what is put before them and, with the block systems in place, and many MEPs absent for extended periods, laws get through without any problem. It truly is the reverse of democracy. I wish the bikers well, but fear they are on a hiding to nothing. 

You do Nick this is my first time 

Well at least we can try 

[tunnie]

I read through some of them, like having ABS a requirement on all new bikes and wearing hi-vis jackets compulsory, for most of them I don't have a problem & don't see what the big deal is all about!

No point worrying about all this EU crap, I just get on with my life, ride my bikes, go on holidays, I could not care less about what EU want/does, should I really give a flying monkey they plan to limit Hoovers to 12v or what ever?

Bigger things in life to get worked up over! Like what beer to drink tonight 

[Darth Loo-knee]

How i see it is they want to make you take your bike to be serviced at a dealer..... Also you wont be able to do things to your bike to make it go better etc etc....

What next though Tunnie? Cars?

[Kevin Wood]

What next though Tunnie? Cars?

Precisely. I take the same stance on Motorbikes as Jeremy Clarkson. [smiley=evil.gif] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRRNVdboes0

That said, bikers are fellow petrol heads like 4x4 enthusiasts, kit car builders, Omega Owners, etc. Talk of sealing engines against modification and killing off all aftermarket tuning is, if true, pure lunacy IMHO.

How would we like not being able to touch a bolt on our cars without going to a main dealer who, having all their competition destroyed, would no doubt charge double the current rates?

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Martin Niemöller

Oh, and, for Albs:

Vote UKIP.

[Kevin Wood]

Oh, and I'm quite sure they'll get round to banning Beer soon enough too.

[Martin_1962]

I read through some of them, like having ABS a requirement on all new bikes and wearing hi-vis jackets compulsory, for most of them I don't have a problem & don't see what the big deal is all about!

No point worrying about all this EU crap, I just get on with my life, ride my bikes, go on holidays, I could not care less about what EU want/does, should I really give a flying monkey they plan to limit Hoovers to 12v or what ever?

Bigger things in life to get worked up over! Like what beer to drink tonight 

Actually a lot of the suggestions are total rubbish and need to be stopped as soon as possible.

I have always DIY serviced bikes and rebuilt quite a few, as to tuning, yet I have done that and have done it to cars as well.

[Martin_1962]

How i see it is they want to make you take your bike to be serviced at a dealer..... Also you wont be able to do things to your bike to make it go better etc etc....

What next though Tunnie? Cars?

Quite likely yes, and a lot of our cars would fail their rules.

This is a very dangerous precident and needs to be brought to the governments attention.

[Martin_1962]

What next though Tunnie? Cars?

Precisely. I take the same stance on Motorbikes as Jeremy Clarkson. [smiley=evil.gif] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRRNVdboes0

That said, bikers are fellow petrol heads like 4x4 enthusiasts, kit car builders, Omega Owners, etc. Talk of sealing engines against modification and killing off all aftermarket tuning is, if true, pure lunacy IMHO.

How would we like not being able to touch a bolt on our cars without going to a main dealer who, having all their competition destroyed, would no doubt charge double the current rates?

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.

Martin Niemöller

Oh, and, for Albs:

Vote UKIP.

I fully support any action to stop this.

As to UKIP I like their ideas but in our constituency the most important think was dumping the sitting MP and the new MP actually had a long chat with us before the election.

[aaronjb]

Can we join the rides in a car? I don't think my push bike could keep up 

[tunnie]

it won't work, how can they police DIY servicing?

[albitz]

Very easily Tunnie. By have a system of seals on oil cap, coolant syste, fuel system etc. etc. which can only be removed without damage by an authorised dealer, and it would be illegal for anyone else to possess the tools to do this.Similar to the situation with manufacturing number plates at the moment.
Its not about how bothered you are about hiviz vests etc. Its about freedom to make your own choices versus state control for its own sake. As Kevin suggested,one day when its too late, we may all just be sorry we didnt stand up and fight against this type of thing when we had the chance.
If Im not working that day, I may just get off my arris and join in on this one for a change.

[tunnie]

Very easily Tunnie. By have a system of seals on oil cap, coolant syste, fuel system etc. etc. which can only be removed without damage by an authorised dealer, and it would be illegal for anyone else to possess the tools to do this.Similar to the situation with manufacturing number plates at the moment.
Its not about how bothered you are about hiviz vests etc. Its about freedom to make your own choices versus state control for its own sake. As Kevin suggested,one day when its too late, we may all just be sorry we didnt stand up and fight against this type of thing when we had the chance.
If Im not working that day, I may just get off my arris and join in on this one for a change.

I've seen brand new cars with them just screwed in, buy plates off eBay... yeah rule works!

So what if i never choose to service my 5 year old bike just MOT it?

It passes the MOT its legal, they make make it a legal requirement to take to a dealer, but there is no legal requirement my bike must be serviced. Just thats its legal! Aka MOT?

[Kevin Wood]

I've seen brand new cars with them just screwed in, buy plates off eBay... yeah rule works!

So what if i never choose to service my 5 year old bike just MOT it?

It passes the MOT its legal, they make make it a legal requirement to take to a dealer, but there is no legal requirement my bike must be serviced. Just thats its legal! Aka MOT?

I'm not sure what you're arguing here... That you would be able to neglect your bike completely or take it to a main stealer but not service it yourself? :-/

What if all the dealers were linked to the DVLA/VOSA computer network, in the same way that insurance companies are now,  so you present your bike (or Omega, etc.) for MOT and they say sorry - service history is not complete, and this is now an MOT requirement?

What if they happened regardless of whether you had serviced it yourself, or not bothered. You'd be happy to head off to the main dealer with a tub of vaseline to get it serviced again?

Rest assured.. If there is a will to enforce it, it will be rigourously enforced these days. Dealer networks, etc. will lobby hard for this, as it would be very profitable for them.