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[albitz]

They can make a law tomorrow if they want to that you must have your bike serviced at whatever interval they tell you to.
Thats the point, they can do whatever they like to you and you cant even vote them out.Its the nanny state gone mental. It needs to be stopped.

[tunnie]

Let them. It will fail!

[albitz]

Doesnt matter if this particular minor detail is stringently enforced or not.This type of thing has been happening for years.It has been slowly creeping up on us, and when we get used to one restriction they sneakily introduce another. I believe that if we could go back in time by about 30 years for just one day, we would be amazed at how much more freedom we had then, and realise just how controlled and restricted we are now.

[tunnie]

Some of it is good, some of it is bad. Would Beeching been able to close 1/3 of the British rail network today, based on a single report?

Some of it has gone too far though

[albitz]

Some of it is good, some of it is bad. Would Beeching been able to close 1/3 of the British rail network today, based on a single report?

Some of it has gone too far though

I dont see any reason why not tbh. :-/

[feeutfo]

Apparently the ECU want to change this that and the other and so there is going to be a Ride Out

If your interested have a look here. It gives all the starting places too

http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883

And people on here think I bang on too much about the EU. It really has its fingers in everything we do.

And remember, these proposals come from the Euopean Commission, which is made up of unelected bureaucrats and proposes legislation. The EU Parliament cannot propose legislation, merely vote on what is put before them and, with the block systems in place, and many MEPs absent for extended periods, laws get through without any problem. It truly is the reverse of democracy. I wish the bikers well, but fear they are on a hiding to nothing. 

Can't imagine why that is Nick, can you? 
It is possible to protest too much Mr Bat!



Out if touch myself. But I don't suppose there's anything new in the eu approach.

[Nickbat]

Apparently the ECU want to change this that and the other and so there is going to be a Ride Out

If your interested have a look here. It gives all the starting places too

http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883

And people on here think I bang on too much about the EU. It really has its fingers in everything we do.

And remember, these proposals come from the Euopean Commission, which is made up of unelected bureaucrats and proposes legislation. The EU Parliament cannot propose legislation, merely vote on what is put before them and, with the block systems in place, and many MEPs absent for extended periods, laws get through without any problem. It truly is the reverse of democracy. I wish the bikers well, but fear they are on a hiding to nothing. 

Can't imagine why that is Nick, can you? 
It is possible to protest too much Mr Bat!



Out if touch myself. But I don't suppose there's anything new in the eu approach.

Not sure whether you're having a dig at me or not, Chris.  :-/

However, I don't think I protest enough. In the UK we have a democracy (albeit poorly functioning) where laws are proposed by parties and, in some cases, individual MPs. They are accountable to the electorate. Those who make EU laws are accountable to no-one and, increasingly, those laws are superceding UK law, thus making the UK less democratic. I care about that, deeply. Not only did my parents fight to ensure the UK remained free, but I want that freedom to be passed on to my children. The way it's going, it doesn't look like that will necessarily happen.

And how would you feel if they were to pass a law that would require all Omega owners to compulsorily scrap their cars? Could easily happen if they set an emissions limit to older cars. It's already happening, believe it or not, to ice cream vans.     

[feeutfo]

Apparently the ECU want to change this that and the other and so there is going to be a Ride Out

If your interested have a look here. It gives all the starting places too

http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6883

And people on here think I bang on too much about the EU. It really has its fingers in everything we do.

And remember, these proposals come from the Euopean Commission, which is made up of unelected bureaucrats and proposes legislation. The EU Parliament cannot propose legislation, merely vote on what is put before them and, with the block systems in place, and many MEPs absent for extended periods, laws get through without any problem. It truly is the reverse of democracy. I wish the bikers well, but fear they are on a hiding to nothing. 

Can't imagine why that is Nick, can you? 
It is possible to protest too much Mr Bat!



Out if touch myself. But I don't suppose there's anything new in the eu approach.

Not sure whether you're having a dig at me or not, Chris.  :-/

However, I don't think I protest enough. In the UK we have a democracy (albeit poorly functioning) where laws are proposed by parties and, in some cases, individual MPs. They are accountable to the electorate. Those who make EU laws are accountable to no-one and, increasingly, those laws are superceding UK law, thus making the UK less democratic. I care about that, deeply. Not only did my parents fight to ensure the UK remained free, but I want that freedom to be passed on to my children. The way it's going, it doesn't look like that will necessarily happen.

And how would you feel if they were to pass a law that would require all Omega owners to compulsorily scrap their cars? Could easily happen if they set an emissions limit to older cars. It's already happening, believe it or not, to ice cream vans.     

Not sure if you'd call it a dig.. Or a hint. I'll put it plane. Change the record. It's very very boring.

You probably right. But you've said so so many times I really couldn't give a rats arse. Politics, eu, Eco crap. FFS give it a rest.
Sorry Nic, but you must realize yourself surely...?

Try this... What's your favorite car? Other than an omega of course, which we all know is best. Or anything petrol powered....plane train boat... Anything?  :-/

[feeutfo]

Ahhaha... Pre empted I see. Although wrong section. 

[albitz]

Very boring for you perhaps Chris, but not for everyone.
No need for the unfriendly attitude imo.Doesnt conform with forum guidelines either imo. If you dont like what the bloke posts just skim past it and dont read it, like no doubt quite a few people do when they have read hundreds of posts about how to make an Omega handle like a Ferrari.
Some members (such as yourself) are fascinated by trying to get the holy grail of perfect handling etc from their cars.Most tbh drive them because they are a comfy big barge, which does most things well for what it is. Nothing wrong with either veiwpoint, so being in the latter group I dont bother reading the latest opinion on which combination of tyre/bushes/shocks etc will shave 10 seconds off my route to work. I just skim past it because its not what holds my interest.

[feeutfo]

Very boring for you perhaps Chris, but not for everyone.
No need for the unfriendly attitude imo.Doesnt conform with forum guidelines either imo. If you dont like what the bloke posts just skim past it and dont read it, like no doubt quite a few people do when they have read hundreds of posts about how to make an Omega handle like a Ferrari.
Some members (such as yourself) are fascinated by trying to get the holy grail of perfect handling etc from their cars.Most tbh drive them because they are a comfy big barge, which does most things well for what it is. Nothing wrong with either veiwpoint, so being in the latter group I dont bother reading the latest opinion on which combination of tyre/bushes/shocks etc will shave 10 seconds off my route to work. I just skim past it because its not what holds my interest.

Press the button again then Albs.

Clearly there's a scale of opinion to consider. Non of which seem too relevant on a car forum in a continual bashing over the head style. Key word being relevance. If I piped up continually on a fishing forum re cars for instance.... Hmmm?

Obviously Mr Bat will say eu Eco etc affects us all. So do cars. It is a car forum.

Yes it's gen chat. Mr Bat has his opinion, I have mine.... And you yours, of course.

Even you venture into the help sections occasionally...

[Rods2]

MAG and other European pressure groups have been more successful than most other pressure groups in opposing and stopping EU legislation. 

Last time they proposed some of these regulations, bikers grid locking Brussels for a day with slow riding tactics, this seemed to concentrate MEPs on the proposal and it was postponed by sending it to a committee for further consideration. 

But it has now resurfaced. 

Unfortunately, within the EU hierarchy there are many bike hating officials, with bike bans being proposed in the past. 
Fortunately, Germany is a major bike manufacturer (BMW) or there is a real chance it would have been successful. 

If the no tuning rules are imposed, it will stop ALL engine home repairs and servicing and the use of secondhand and pattern parts. Manufactures will decide the age span of a bike, by stopping the supply of official spare parts, say after 5 years, (or in a recession say 3 years, to boost profits) so you have to buy a new one. Once it is law it will be too late to stop, manufacturer lobbying will make sure of that. 


My understanding is that bikes are a test bed with the intention to extend this so all car engines are likewise sealed units. This legislation is aimed at making sure all vehicles comply at all times with emission standards. So don't be surprised if service intervals become compulsory. 

The Brussels politburo is deliberately non-democratic as the people aren't trusted, they might derail "The European Project" (driven by the German-France axis), by voting incorrectly. When this happens in treaty referendums, like ROI, then they have to keep voting until they come up with the right 'Yes' answer.

To see what is going to happen in the future then look at the history of the USSR as that is where the EU is heading politically and economically. 

The world is changing, the new dynamic West is the East (Asia), the new dynamic North is the South (America). With western economies consuming too much and producing too little and with Governments and individuals borrowing too much to try and keep up living standards, this is all going to end in tears. 

The USSR only broke apart when they were effectively bankrupt and could not feed their population. Fortunately, this happened in a relatively peaceful fashion. When this happens to the EU who knows if it will be peaceful or not!!!! 

[Nickbat]

MAG and other European pressure groups have been more successful than most other pressure groups in opposing and stopping EU legislation. 

Last time they proposed some of these regulations, bikers grid locking Brussels for a day with slow riding tactics, this seemed to concentrate MEPs on the proposal and it was postponed by sending it to a committee for further consideration. 

But it has now resurfaced. 

Unfortunately, within the EU hierarchy there are many bike hating officials, with bike bans being proposed in the past. 
Fortunately, Germany is a major bike manufacturer (BMW) or there is a real chance it would have been successful. 

If the no tuning rules are imposed, it will stop ALL engine home repairs and servicing and the use of secondhand and pattern parts. Manufactures will decide the age span of a bike, by stopping the supply of official spare parts, say after 5 years, (or in a recession say 3 years, to boost profits) so you have to buy a new one. Once it is law it will be too late to stop, manufacturer lobbying will make sure of that. 


My understanding is that bikes are a test bed with the intention to extend this so all car engines are likewise sealed units. This legislation is aimed at making sure all vehicles comply at all times with emission standards. So don't be surprised if service intervals become compulsory. 

The Brussels politburo is deliberately non-democratic as the people aren't trusted, they might derail "The European Project" (driven by the German-France axis), by voting incorrectly. When this happens in treaty referendums, like ROI, then they have to keep voting until they come up with the right 'Yes' answer.

To see what is going to happen in the future then look at the history of the USSR as that is where the EU is heading politically and economically. 

The world is changing, the new dynamic West is the East (Asia), the new dynamic North is the South (America). With western economies consuming too much and producing too little and with Governments and individuals borrowing too much to try and keep up living standards, this is all going to end in tears. 

The USSR only broke apart when they were effectively bankrupt and could not feed their population. Fortunately, this happened in a relatively peaceful fashion. When this happens to the EU who knows if it will be peaceful or not!!!! 

Cracking post, Rods. 

[albitz]

Very boring for you perhaps Chris, but not for everyone.
No need for the unfriendly attitude imo.Doesnt conform with forum guidelines either imo. If you dont like what the bloke posts just skim past it and dont read it, like no doubt quite a few people do when they have read hundreds of posts about how to make an Omega handle like a Ferrari.
Some members (such as yourself) are fascinated by trying to get the holy grail of perfect handling etc from their cars.Most tbh drive them because they are a comfy big barge, which does most things well for what it is. Nothing wrong with either veiwpoint, so being in the latter group I dont bother reading the latest opinion on which combination of tyre/bushes/shocks etc will shave 10 seconds off my route to work. I just skim past it because its not what holds my interest.

Press the button again then Albs.

Clearly there's a scale of opinion to consider. Non of which seem too relevant on a car forum in a continual bashing over the head style. Key word being relevance. If I piped up continually on a fishing forum re cars for instance.... Hmmm?

Obviously Mr Bat will say eu Eco etc affects us all. So do cars. It is a car forum.

Yes it's gen chat. Mr Bat has his opinion, I have mine.... And you yours, of course.

Even you venture into the help sections occasionally...

The post he made was completely relevant to the original thread, and you as a biker surprise me with your blase attitude to the subject tbh. If you read Rods2 post above this post it should explain that it could very easily become relevant to people such as yourself in the future. Change the spec of your dampers/springs/bushes - we cant allow amateurs to do that kind of thing, cars will be flying off the roads and killing people left, right and centre. Install your own LPG ? not in a million years sonny. It would be tantamount to having unexploded bombs in the boot of cars all over the country. We would be abdicating our governace of safety responsibilities in the extreme if we allow that type of thing to continue...........

And btw, what does "press the button again" mean ? :-/

[feeutfo]

MAG and other European pressure groups have been more successful than most other pressure groups in opposing and stopping EU legislation. 

Last time they proposed some of these regulations, bikers grid locking Brussels for a day with slow riding tactics, this seemed to concentrate MEPs on the proposal and it was postponed by sending it to a committee for further consideration. 

But it has now resurfaced. 

Unfortunately, within the EU hierarchy there are many bike hating officials, with bike bans being proposed in the past. 
Fortunately, Germany is a major bike manufacturer (BMW) or there is a real chance it would have been successful. 

If the no tuning rules are imposed, it will stop ALL engine home repairs and servicing and the use of secondhand and pattern parts. Manufactures will decide the age span of a bike, by stopping the supply of official spare parts, say after 5 years, (or in a recession say 3 years, to boost profits) so you have to buy a new one. Once it is law it will be too late to stop, manufacturer lobbying will make sure of that. 


My understanding is that bikes are a test bed with the intention to extend this so all car engines are likewise sealed units. This legislation is aimed at making sure all vehicles comply at all times with emission standards. So don't be surprised if service intervals become compulsory. 

The Brussels politburo is deliberately non-democratic as the people aren't trusted, they might derail "The European Project" (driven by the German-France axis), by voting incorrectly. When this happens in treaty referendums, like ROI, then they have to keep voting until they come up with the right 'Yes' answer.

To see what is going to happen in the future then look at the history of the USSR as that is where the EU is heading politically and economically. 

The world is changing, the new dynamic West is the East (Asia), the new dynamic North is the South (America). With western economies consuming too much and producing too little and with Governments and individuals borrowing too much to try and keep up living standards, this is all going to end in tears. 

The USSR only broke apart when they were effectively bankrupt and could not feed their population. Fortunately, this happened in a relatively peaceful fashion. When this happens to the EU who knows if it will be peaceful or not!!!! 

Cracking post, Rods. 

Agreed. I didn't glaze over once.