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Ronald_McBurger

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Monday? All hell breaks loose
« on: 08 June 2007, 22:42:42 »

Because I will be at my sons school at 8am to ensure that the little b@stard that purposely broke his arm today, gets arrested and charged with ABH. We spent 4 hours in casualty getting examinations, x-rays and finally platsering. He is 14 and a genius on the piano. He has a major piano exam in 2 weeks, now he cannot play until his arm heals.

Believe me, I am about as angry as I get. The sh*t will hit the fan.
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Re: Monday? All hell breaks loose
« Reply #1 on: 08 June 2007, 23:12:04 »

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Because I will be at my sons school at 8am to ensure that the little b@stard that purposely broke his arm today, gets arrested and charged with ABH. We spent 4 hours in casualty getting examinations, x-rays and finally platsering. He is 14 and a genius on the piano. He has a major piano exam in 2 weeks, now he cannot play until his arm heals.

Believe me, I am about as angry as I get. The sh*t will hit the fan.

What a crapper fin :(

What was the motive!!?
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Re: Monday? All hell breaks loose
« Reply #2 on: 08 June 2007, 23:52:37 »

hell that's well out of order doing something like that, hope that the school take the right action against the  little scrote.....

if they dont then it is a case of goimg to the LEA, mt advice is to try and remain cool, although that is easier said than done, if i was in your shoes i wouldn't be waiting until monday.

good luck, hope he gets better soon
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Re: Monday? All hell breaks loose
« Reply #3 on: 08 June 2007, 23:54:57 »

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Because I will be at my sons school at 8am to ensure that the little b@stard that purposely broke his arm today, gets arrested and charged with ABH. We spent 4 hours in casualty getting examinations, x-rays and finally platsering. He is 14 and a genius on the piano. He has a major piano exam in 2 weeks, now he cannot play until his arm heals.

Believe me, I am about as angry as I get. The sh*t will hit the fan.

I'm gobsmacked :o:'(

What the hell is going on to cause crap like this >:(

Good luck on Monday and I hope the bully gets his dues
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Re: Monday? All hell breaks loose
« Reply #4 on: 09 June 2007, 00:08:08 »

Go for it Ronald but as Jay says .... breathe ............& stay calm or you'll get into lumbar yourself.
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Re: Monday? All hell breaks loose
« Reply #5 on: 09 June 2007, 00:52:02 »

Im sure you will handle this the correct way Fin..Lets hope you get justice and no lasting damage to your son...
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Re: Monday? All hell breaks loose
« Reply #6 on: 09 June 2007, 02:02:24 »

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Because I will be at my sons school at 8am to ensure that the little b@stard that purposely broke his arm today, gets arrested and charged with ABH. We spent 4 hours in casualty getting examinations, x-rays and finally platsering. He is 14 and a genius on the piano. He has a major piano exam in 2 weeks, now he cannot play until his arm heals.

Believe me, I am about as angry as I get. The sh*t will hit the fan.

Very bad news, Fin.  :-/  You have my genuine sympathy.

Remember, though, that on the basis of what you have posted, a criminal offence has taken place and the police should be informed asap. The fact that the offence apparently took place in school does not mean that the school has any say in whether charges are brought or not.

If I were in your shoes, I would do the following:

Inform the police of a serious assault as soon as possible, i.e today (Saturday). Ascertain if there are any witnesses. If so, provide the police with names (and addresses if possible) in order that witness statements may be taken while the events are clear in their minds.

Visit the school on Monday by all means, but be calm and measured and tell the head teacher that you have reported a serious assault to the police. I would counsel against demanding that the school does XYZ, as the actions any school can take are very specifically laid down. As a school governor of over 10 years standing, I can assure you that parents who come in with all guns blazing rarely achieve as much as those who calmly lay down the facts. Remember, too, that very often schools are lumbered with truly awful kids and, these days, can do very little with regard either to disciplining them or getting shot of them.

If you are disappointed with the response you get from the school's senior management, your next port of call should be the chairman of the school's Governing Body.

Sorry if I sound so matter-of-fact about this. It must be a truly emotional time for you. Vent your spleen on here, then calmly do all you can ensure justice is done.

Hope little Fin's arm repairs itself soon. :y

Good luck.
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« Reply #7 on: 09 June 2007, 07:10:52 »

Thanks guys. The police were informed immediately. I haven't heard from them since. I am pressing charges for ABH and this is a racial attack, so we are pushing this one all the way. I am talking with the local TV station on Monday too, I am going to make a VERY big noise about this.
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Re: Monday? All hell breaks loose
« Reply #8 on: 09 June 2007, 09:03:35 »

Good luck Finlay - this is the same boy as designed our logo isn't it?

Pass our best wishes onto him and his mother, as well as you of course.
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« Reply #9 on: 09 June 2007, 16:52:05 »

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Because I will be at my sons school at 8am to ensure that the little b@stard that purposely broke his arm today, gets arrested and charged with ABH. We spent 4 hours in casualty getting examinations, x-rays and finally platsering. He is 14 and a genius on the piano. He has a major piano exam in 2 weeks, now he cannot play until his arm heals.

Believe me, I am about as angry as I get. The sh*t will hit the fan.

Very bad news, Fin.  :-/  You have my genuine sympathy.

Remember, though, that on the basis of what you have posted, a criminal offence has taken place and the police should be informed asap. The fact that the offence apparently took place in school does not mean that the school has any say in whether charges are brought or not.

If I were in your shoes, I would do the following:

Inform the police of a serious assault as soon as possible, i.e today (Saturday). Ascertain if there are any witnesses. If so, provide the police with names (and addresses if possible) in order that witness statements may be taken while the events are clear in their minds.

Visit the school on Monday by all means, but be calm and measured and tell the head teacher that you have reported a serious assault to the police. I would counsel against demanding that the school does XYZ, as the actions any school can take are very specifically laid down. As a school governor of over 10 years standing, I can assure you that parents who come in with all guns blazing rarely achieve as much as those who calmly lay down the facts. Remember, too, that very often schools are lumbered with truly awful kids and, these days, can do very little with regard either to disciplining them or getting shot of them.

If you are disappointed with the response you get from the school's senior management, your next port of call should be the chairman of the school's Governing Body.

Sorry if I sound so matter-of-fact about this. It must be a truly emotional time for you. Vent your spleen on here, then calmly do all you can ensure justice is done.

Hope little Fin's arm repairs itself soon. :y

Good luck.

Agree to a point Nick, but , my wife is a headteacher in a primary school in a very rough area of Barnsley, and, this attitude of 'We can't do anything with the little gits' just doesn't wash with her. Her school was left to it's own devices for 30 odd years because no one dared to challenge the culture that had evolved over that time. She operates a zero tolerance policy with reguards to bullying, by pupils, parents or, indeed, staff.
  
If all primary schools were run this way then it wouldn't be half as bad in secondary schools. The rules of engagement need to be set at a very early age.
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Re: Monday? All hell breaks loose
« Reply #10 on: 09 June 2007, 18:56:08 »

Sickener mate, Hope your lad gets better quickly.  
I've got had my youngest off school all week with headaches after some little scrotes decided to try happy slapping with him as the target.  He managed to report it to the year office and then whilst he was sat there in front of a bunch of teachers one of them burst in and hit him on the head with a chair. No respect, no fear of discipline or anything, Makes me wonder what state this country will be in when these ar**holes become adults.
Make a big stink about it mate, have you thought about a call to the press, they thrive on reporting this kind of bullying going on in schools.
I would even consider emailing, the chairman of the LEA, and the education minister. Nothing like pressure from the top to push a reluctant head into action.
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Re: Monday? All hell breaks loose
« Reply #11 on: 09 June 2007, 20:24:02 »

Sorry to hear about your lad Fin. Even up here in Bonnie Scotland it is like the wild west at times. A lot of the problem being the so called parents. No good waiting for the little Swines to grow up into adults it is the adults that need to grow up and show some respect to each other. >:(

You have started the ball rolling and good luck to you.   :y
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Re: Monday? All hell breaks loose
« Reply #12 on: 09 June 2007, 21:16:59 »

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Sorry to hear about your lad Fin. Even up here in Bonnie Scotland it is like the wild west at times. A lot of the problem being the so called parents. No good waiting for the little Swines to grow up into adults it is the adults that need to grow up and show some respect to each other. >:(

You have started the ball rolling and good luck to you.   :y
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No, Dave! I don't believe that ;D
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« Reply #13 on: 09 June 2007, 22:10:28 »

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Agree to a point Nick, but , my wife is a headteacher in a primary school in a very rough area of Barnsley, and, this attitude of 'We can't do anything with the little gits' just doesn't wash with her. Her school was left to it's own devices for 30 odd years because no one dared to challenge the culture that had evolved over that time. She operates a zero tolerance policy with reguards to bullying, by pupils, parents or, indeed, staff.
  
If all primary schools were run this way then it wouldn't be half as bad in secondary schools. The rules of engagement need to be set at a very early age.

Excellent to hear that your wife operates a zero-tolerance policy. Should be mandatory in all schools. :y

To clarify my point a bit (and I'm talking secondary schools now), I mean that the range of sanctions a teacher can apply are somewhat limited. Detentions, inclusions, temporary exclusions then finally permanent exclusion. At that point, the parent normally appeals and either tries to get the exclusion blocked on a technicality, or swears blind that the School has got it in for their little darling. You may say, well these are not limited sanctions, but they are when you think about it. The kid who causes low-level trouble in school often knows how far he/she can push it without the teacher resorting to a formal sanction. And, of course, if  teacher of unruly pupils hands out too many detentions, it can reflect badly on him/her. ("Can't control the kids, that one..."). In the old days they would get some sort "clip round the ear" or made to stand in the corner. And, when it comes to detentions, well, if they skip a few what happens then? A few days off on a temporary exclusion a few weeks after the original offence. Of course, detentions and exclusions mean little to the habitual rule breaker.

Fortunately, the school in which I serve as a governor (1600+ role of 11-18 years) has a head who also operates a zero-tolerance policy and will not tolerate any bad behaviour. However, in any school, big or small, it is the everyday teacher who faces the frontline, with  a minority of disrespectful pupils who enjoy disrupting the learning process for the majority. Some teachers can actually be bullied by pupils and, at the end of the day, live in permanent fear of being falsely accused of intimidation or physical/sexual assault. The kids know that and they know that the burden of proof lies on the teacher's shoulders.

So, while there ARE sanctions available, teachers are no longer permitted to resort to the instant justice of the old days (clip round the ear, stand in the corner, etc.). These days it's, "Smith, you've just got yourself a detention". "Who cares Miss? Stick it up your b*m" General hilarity amongst the others and Smith earns himself a bit more playground respect.

It's a culture thing, I'm talking about, (or, maybe a "lack of culture" thing).  :(

Also agree 100% with the comments about the parents. It all starts at home.    
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« Reply #14 on: 09 June 2007, 22:49:09 »

I must make it crystal clear, taht my son was attacked by 20 kids ina  mob. He is resented for being talented (been on TV before etc). He is also a black belt in karate, and after his arm was broken he had no choice than to defend himsef. He smacked the culprit very well indeed, and it worked. I am also aware that as a response to us making a formal allegation of ABH, my son will be arrested  in a counter allegation of common assault. What pisses me off is that the police will take that seriously. If we push this my son could effectively get a criminal record. So, WHEN they arrest him, we are having formal representation and I will be informing the press of that as and when it occurs.

In the meantime we have a real dilema. Do we let our son continue at this school mixed with scum, or do we drag him away from his best friends to start all over again at a better school (private).

Crap isn't it? I have zero confidence in the school doing anything great about this. They know me better than to patronise me though. Believe me, Monday is a morning they will remember!
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