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Dissapointed Newbie here............
« on: 24 June 2009, 16:40:20 »
Hi all, dissapointed newbie here, i had owned a '98, 3.0 MV6 saloon, for the last 7 years and decided to upgrade (or so i thought) to an '02, 3.2 elite saloon, the ride is spongy and not nearly as fast as my previous MV6, are they different engines, suspensions etc ??, is the elite built for comfort and economy ??, any thoughts on this are appreciated, thanks.
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Re: Dissapointed Newbie here............
« Reply #1 on: 24 June 2009, 16:59:30 »
Suspension is stiffer and slightly lowered on the MV6. Not too difficult to retro-fit though.

Your comments regarding performance make me wonder if it's running properly though. A 3.2 should be roughly the same as a 3.0 in performance terms (it has 10BHP more on paper, but an Elite is slightly heavier).

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Re: Dissapointed Newbie here............
« Reply #2 on: 24 June 2009, 17:12:30 »
Hello and a very warm welcome to you Wizard! :y

I reckon your 3.2 requires a good major service, with new plugs (twin prong) and all breathers cleaned out! :D :D ;)
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Re: Dissapointed Newbie here............
« Reply #3 on: 24 June 2009, 17:18:03 »
As Lizzie said, also if your MV6 was Manual an auto 3.2 will struggle to be as fast which is why it may seem slower but you shouldn't really notice it that much :y
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Re: Dissapointed Newbie here............
« Reply #4 on: 24 June 2009, 17:23:14 »
You will certainly notice a big difference in suspension. I drive an 3.2 MV6 but when I drive my ex-missus 2.5 CDX it feels very spongy by comparison. As already said, the Elite is a heavier car than the MV6 so the 3.2 won't be noticeably quicker, but I wouldn't have thought it would be slower than your 3.0 MV6. :-?
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« Reply #5 on: 24 June 2009, 17:25:06 »
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You will certainly notice a big difference in suspension. I drive an 3.2 MV6 but when I drive my ex-missus 2.5 CDX it feels very spongy by comparison. As already said, the Elite is a heavier car than the MV6 so the 3.2 won't be noticeably quicker, but I wouldn't have thought it would be slower than your 3.0 MV6. :-?
With a slush mobile box I think the 3.2 is a tad slower  :-/
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Re: Dissapointed Newbie here............
« Reply #6 on: 24 June 2009, 19:43:55 »
As others have said, MV6 did have (slightly) lower and stiffer suspension.  No specific mods to the engine. I would expect 3.2 to be similar performance (assuming both were autos).

A bloody good service, including full fluid and full filter, should bring back a few of those lost horses....

Also, worth checking for fault codes.
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« Reply #7 on: 24 June 2009, 20:01:44 »
and check vac system and multi rams are working. Good tech 2 session with one of the guys on here should weed out the Gremlins. Police spec mv6 are all(mostly ::))  manual to make use of all the power.
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« Reply #8 on: 24 June 2009, 20:13:20 »
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and check vac system and multi rams are working. Good tech 2 session with one of the guys on here should weed out the Gremlins. Police spec mv6 are all manual to make use of all the power.
/panto mode on

Oh no they're not

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« Reply #9 on: 24 June 2009, 20:22:04 »
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and check vac system and multi rams are working. Good tech 2 session with one of the guys on here should weed out the Gremlins. Police spec mv6 are all manual to make use of all the power.
Not all were mate  :y
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Re: Dissapointed Newbie here............
« Reply #10 on: 24 June 2009, 21:46:00 »
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and check vac system and multi rams are working. Good tech 2 session with one of the guys on here should weed out the Gremlins. Police spec mv6 are all manual to make use of all the power.
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Oh no they're not

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He's behind you :D Sorry :-[
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Re: Dissapointed Newbie here............
« Reply #11 on: 24 June 2009, 22:24:18 »
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Suspension is stiffer and slightly lowered on the MV6. Not too difficult to retro-fit though.

Your comments regarding performance make me wonder if it's running properly though. A 3.2 should be roughly the same as a 3.0 in performance terms (it has 10BHP more on paper, but an Elite is slightly heavier).

Kevin

A facelift Elite is significantly heavier than a pre-lift MV6. It is shocking how much lard they gained. like for like they gained over 50kg and then you have all the electrics of the Elite like the sofa's etc...

Could somebody confirn that they used the same final drive ratios - can't locate my brochures at the mo to check.

You will also get a different sensation from the 3.2 being drive by wire throttle, however this should mean pickup is faster!

In many respects I feel for you as I would far prefer a decent 98 mv6 than an 02 Elite, but you have your reasons. Infact I would far prefer a mint 98 elite than my '53 CDX  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: 25 June 2009, 09:55:05 »
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A facelift Elite is significantly heavier than a pre-lift MV6.

Really?  :-/

Same engine, transmission, same basic shell. Very similar seats, interior. I can't see how there can be a significant difference in weight between pre and post facelift.

Any Elite will weigh a bit more than the corresponding MV6 due to the extra equipment - about 50 kg or so IIRC. Not a great deal when you consider the car weighs 1700 kg.

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Re: Dissapointed Newbie here............
« Reply #13 on: 25 June 2009, 10:01:36 »
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and check vac system and multi rams are working. Good tech 2 session with one of the guys on here should weed out the Gremlins. Police spec mv6 are all manual to make use of all the power.
Not all were mate  :y

Actually most are autos!
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Re: Dissapointed Newbie here............
« Reply #14 on: 25 June 2009, 10:28:38 »
According to the handbook ... page 224

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/andrew.reynolds983/Manuals/Omega2002Manual.pdf

On the FACELIFT models .. the difference between auto 3.2 MV6 and auto 3.2 Elite  is ......

Now wait for it ... don't get too exited ........ a whole 5 Kgs !!!!

Now if someone has the same data from a pre - or mini - face lift we could do an accurate comparison .. :)
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