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[Andy B]

you can MOT a car whenever you want, but if it fails your old MOT is then voided and you have no MOT.

not true, unless the fail is because the car is deemed dangerous.  even then, it will require the issue of a prohibition notice by VOSA or the Police so as to prevent its use on the road meantime....

True any new MOT nulls and voids the previous MOT even issued with a pass or fail. .......

Oh no it doesn't!!!  Your old MOT is still valid. A dangerous vehicle is a dangerous vehicle with or without a new ticket! 

[Ken L]

The MOT test only verifies that the vehicle was roadworthy at the time of the test, so if you have another test before it expires, it wouldn't have any bearing on the validity of the previous test.

[Andy B]

The MOT test only verifies that the vehicle was roadworthy at the time of the test, so if you have another test before it expires, it wouldn't have any bearing on the validity of the previous test.

It doesn't make the previous ticket null & void from a legal stance though ... 

[Ken L]

Yes, that's what I mean, I agree, it wouldn't affect the previous test.

[Entwood]

The MOT test only verifies that the vehicle was roadworthy at the time of the test, so if you have another test before it expires, it wouldn't have any bearing on the validity of the previous test.

It doesn't make the previous ticket null & void from a legal stance though ... 

But if the previous ticket was a "pass", and the new one is a "fail" .. then you have a car with a failed MOT, both you and the computor know this ..

You don't have a car with "no" MOT .. it just does not have a "pass" MOT .. and to be road legal it needs a "pass" MOT.

"No" MOT = expired MOT  .. NOT current but failed

[Andy B]

...... and to be road legal it needs a "pass" MOT........

It does, the previous ticket that is still legal till its expiry date .... unless it's dangerous etc etc ....

[Entwood]

...... and to be road legal it needs a "pass" MOT........

It does, the previous ticket that is still legal till its expiry date .... unless it's dangerous etc etc ....

I think you'll find that the "fail" certificate over-rules the "pass" one on the computer .. at least that is my understanding of it

http://www.ukmot.com/new_MOT.asp

The new MOT certificate is your receipt for the MOT test. It shows the information that is held on the MOT database. The certificate is no longer proof of an MOT and should not be relied on as such. Only the computer record can prove a vehicle has a valid MOT. Under the new system any recommended advisory work will normally be shown on a new Advisory Notice which will be given to you at the time of the test.

I wish I was wrong .. but that is how it was explained to us ..

If it failed it WILL have advisories ... it IS unroadworthy ..

Further info here ..

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022108

[Ken L]

Put it this way...if you have a test before the current one runs out, you can more or less treat it as a pre-test to see if all is ok, if it fails you have time to do any work before the current valid certificate expires, if it passes then you have 13 months test, if there is a month left on your current one, if there is more than a month on the current one, you can discard it, and you now have a new 12 months MOT.

[JohnM]

I expect with all car MOTs now computerised/linked into dvla/vosa/...  that any fail part-way through it's year would indeed flag as 'no MOT' (as it is the same as failed MOT).

But I can't see why - especially such a change (a fresh sale) - putting it through this early would be a problem[, normally].

[Martin_1962]

...... and to be road legal it needs a "pass" MOT........

It does, the previous ticket that is still legal till its expiry date .... unless it's dangerous etc etc ....

I think you'll find that the "fail" certificate over-rules the "pass" one on the computer .. at least that is my understanding of it

http://www.ukmot.com/new_MOT.asp

The new MOT certificate is your receipt for the MOT test. It shows the information that is held on the MOT database. The certificate is no longer proof of an MOT and should not be relied on as such. Only the computer record can prove a vehicle has a valid MOT. Under the new system any recommended advisory work will normally be shown on a new Advisory Notice which will be given to you at the time of the test.

I wish I was wrong .. but that is how it was explained to us ..

If it failed it WILL have advisories ... it IS unroadworthy ..

Further info here ..

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022108

Wrong - a lot of things you can now fail on are nothing to do with road worthiness

[Andy B]

...... and to be road legal it needs a "pass" MOT........

It does, the previous ticket that is still legal till its expiry date .... unless it's dangerous etc etc ....

I think you'll find that the "fail" certificate over-rules the "pass" one on the computer .. at least that is my understanding of it

http://www.ukmot.com/new_MOT.asp

The new MOT certificate is your receipt for the MOT test. It shows the information that is held on the MOT database. The certificate is no longer proof of an MOT and should not be relied on as such. Only the computer record can prove a vehicle has a valid MOT. Under the new system any recommended advisory work will normally be shown on a new Advisory Notice which will be given to you at the time of the test.

I wish I was wrong .. but that is how it was explained to us ..

If it failed it WILL have advisories ... it IS unroadworthy ..

Further info here ..

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022108

The first bit is too cover themselves with fraudulent certificates, nothing has changed there, and isn't relevent to our debate.

Why bother having the facility of the 13 month ticket if by going for an MOT early it will then criminalise you by trying to do the right thing &  getting your act togther.
I'm going with H21 as he might just have a bit more experience in motoring offences than most of us here.     

[Ken L]

Could be that under the new system we're all right...and wrong, looking at the website it states

"You can renew your MOT up to one month before it expires without affecting your annual expiry date."

According to this then it's not advisable to re-test earlier than a month before expiry or it invalidates your current certificate, if it fails you have no MOT.

[JohnM]

Nah,
This just means if you do it earlier you have a fresh start date - which is what is wanted for the OP.

[Ken L]

Yes you have a fresh start date if it passes, if it fails it's now on record it has failed,as Entwood said, you can only conserve the current expiry date if it's within a month

[Entwood]

Not withstanding H21's views.. and as said he knows more about this than most ... but we had a "lecture" by a serving policeman as part of a roadsafety thing .. and this question came up.

His answer was as I posted.... basically if he checked vehicle he enters the registration, the computor tells him the current state of MOT/Tax/Insurance. The MOT info is the latest on the system.

So a fail will come up, he can then ask the questions like ... is this on its way home from the fail.... on it's way to be repaired...  or on its way back for a retest, which are, he said, the only 3 legal times you can drive a "failed" MOT... regardless.

If the fail is so bad as to have a "prohibition" placed on it (as H21 mentions) it cannot even be driven under those conditions and would have to be trailered.

Now, I accept he might have told us wrongly .... but that is what he told us ..