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[hotel21]

Not withstanding H21's views.. and as said he knows more about this than most ... but we had a "lecture" by a serving policeman as part of a roadsafety thing .. and this question came up.

His answer was as I posted.... basically if he checked vehicle he enters the registration, the computor tells him the current state of MOT/Tax/Insurance. The MOT info is the latest on the system.

So a fail will come up, he can then ask the questions like ... is this on its way home from the fail.... on it's way to be repaired...  or on its way back for a retest, which are, he said, the only 3 legal times you can drive a "failed" MOT... regardless.

If the fail is so bad as to have a "prohibition" placed on it (as H21 mentions) it cannot even be driven under those conditions and would have to be trailered.

Now, I accept he might have told us wrongly .... but that is what he told us ..

You man speaketh rowlocks, albeit with the best of intentions.

Once a car has one full years test that remains in force until its expiry or a PG9/VG9 prohibition notice is issued by the Police or VOSA. 

If you subsequently test the car anythime thereafter upto one month before its expiry and it passes, you get a 12 month ticket.  If it is tested within the last month and it passes, you get a new ticket with upto 13 months validity.

All fair enough so far.....

If it fails on these subsequent tests it may well flag as a fail on the system - on that date - but there is still an existing 12 month ticket and the only way that can be recinded is by the issue of a VG9/PG9 prohibition.

As retold to me by VOSA managers who oversee and teach VOSA inspectors who teach MOT testers and examine testing stations that issue certificates.... 

[Entwood]

Thanks for that ... I wonder now just how many "Interpretations" of this there are amongst the Gentlemen in Blue ... 

Clear as mud !!!!   

[Andy B]

..... but we had a "lecture"  .....

Who's 'we'  :-/   

[KillerWatt]

I really don't know why people worry about the MOT.

It isn't worth the paper it's written on (it tells you that in the small print anyway), and even if caught without an MOT and no valid reason for being on the road, it's only a small fine (no points, as it isn't an endorsable offence).

The ONLY thing an MOT certificate proves is that the "testable" items were functioning to a pre-determined level at the ACTUAL time of the test.
At no point in time whatsoever does an MOT certificate mean a vehicle is roadworthy, and that includes the minute you drive away after a successful pass.

[cam2502]

my main reason for wanting a years mot put on the car was so i knew nothing was gonna need repaired for a while and save myself some cash.the very fact he point blank refused to mot it....even after i said i would pay for it tells its own story.
 would you buy a car with 3 months remaining?

[Entwood]

..... but we had a "lecture"  .....

Who's 'we'  :-/   

Group of motorists who meet for the odd beer or three and get the occasional outside speaker in, we've had IAM guy, Mr Plod on different occasions, AA patrol, that sort of thing.  Perhaps we ought to try and get a VOSA man in ..

'twas all part of my previous employment ... HM Forces like to involve the local community 

[Andy B]

.....even after i said i would pay for it tells its own story. ........

I think it's just as likely to say he's a numpty as it does that he (or the car) had anything to hide.   

[Andy B]

.....  Perhaps we ought to try and get a VOSA man in ..

Better off with a rep from CAMRA!     

as long as he has some samples!   

[Entwood]

.....  Perhaps we ought to try and get a VOSA man in ..

Better off with a rep from CAMRA!     

as long as he has some samples!   

meetings were held in the Sqn bar ... with barrels flowing ...   Did make the Mr Plod from traffic who came to talk lecture on Drink Driving look twice ..

[Andy B]

.....
meetings were held in the Sqn bar ...  .....

Cashless I assume? .... like ours were!   

[Entwood]

.....
meetings were held in the Sqn bar ...  .....

Cashless I assume? .... like ours were!   

Of course ... paid for out of sqn funds .. or someone's leaving barrel, or a "wet-the-babies-head" barrel ... or someone who had screwed up and was paying a "fine" .. loads of ways of getting the barrels paid for ..

[Andy B]

.....
meetings were held in the Sqn bar ...  .....

Cashless I assume? .... like ours were!   

Of course ... paid for out of sqn funds .. or someone's leaving barrel, or a "wet-the-babies-head" barrel ... or someone who had screwed up and was paying a "fine" .. loads of ways of getting the barrels paid for ..

I forget now how much we paid for a barrel ..... I remember it was around 50p a pint, tots ranged from about 10p for a Bacarudi  ........ that was 20 yrs ago though   
Fines were imposed for wearing your cap in the mess deck    you had a bout 10 seconds, 'bouncing' the boilers. there were more, but as said it was 20 yrs back & the memory fades ....

who are you?  :-/   

[Vamps]

.....
meetings were held in the Sqn bar ...  .....

Cashless I assume? .... like ours were!   

Of course ... paid for out of sqn funds .. or someone's leaving barrel, or a "wet-the-babies-head" barrel ... or someone who had screwed up and was paying a "fine" .. loads of ways of getting the barrels paid for ..

I forget now how much we paid for a barrel ..... I remember it was around 50p a pint, tots ranged from about 10p for a Bacarudi  ........ that was 20 yrs ago though   
Fines were imposed for wearing your cap in the mess deck    you had a bout 10 seconds, 'bouncing' the boilers. there were more, but as said it was 20 yrs back & the memory fades ....

who are you?  :-/   

There was never any of this nonsense at Ganges......

[waspy]

Just got back from having her MOTed & asked Steve (the garage owner) about if you MOT a vehicle & it fails, it makes the old cert void. No it doesn't He said that if it fails & you drive the vehicle knowing it has a dangerous fault then you are liable, but the cert still stands until it runs out.

[Andy H]

Strikes me that the law hasn't changed but the ability of police to access ANPR/VOSA information has.

If the screen in the police car shows them that your car has failed an MOT it gives them a reason to stop you and ask for an explanation.

I suspect that as the original MOT isn't voided by the later fail your car would still come up on their screen as having a valid MOT (because it has).