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[omegod]

Working on a 206 at the moment and find it quite hilarious how difficult they make every job, just took the exhaust off the manifold and the  4 nuts are all different sizes despite there being no space restrictions.

Thinking back to every french car I have had they where all pigs to work on!!

[Omegatoy]

Working on a 206 at the moment and find it quite hilarious how difficult they make every job, just took the exhaust off the manifold and the  4 nuts are all different sizes despite there being no space restrictions.

Thinking back to every french car I have had they where all pigs to work on!!

LOL Totally agree, its only french cars i give to other people to work on!! unless its a mate who wants to watch while i do it!!

cant stand the damn things to be honest, always such a pain in the arse to work on, and they are not very reliable either!!!

[Brikhead]

That is one of the reasons I keep buying Vauxhalls, they are so easy to fix on the rare occasions they do go wrong. Also you can usually guarantee a plentifull supply of good, cheap, parts at the local scrapyard!

One of these days I'll be able to afford a B.M.W.

[feeutfo]

That is one of the reasons I keep buying Vauxhalls, they are so easy to fix on the rare occasions they do go wrong. Also you can usually guarantee a plentifull supply of good, cheap, parts at the local scrapyard!

One of these days I'll be able to afford a B.M.W.

Agree totally, except the last bit of desire of course.

I know a couple of independents who all curse French cars. I refuse to take them as a hire car abroad, a common thing they tell me, except the french who wont take anything else of course.

[tidla]

reno clit new type. the most commonly changed component, (oil filter) if you dont remove an engine brace first the plastic filter cap ends up cracking..

meganes, headlight bulbs thru the wheel arch by feel...

electric powered steering pumps...(i know other manufacturers are adopting this)

i recon the list is endless...

[Varche]

That is one of the reasons I keep buying Vauxhalls, they are so easy to fix on the rare occasions they do go wrong. Also you can usually guarantee a plentifull supply of good, cheap, parts at the local scrapyard!

You must not have had your car(s) very long then!!!

One of these days I'll be able to afford a B.M.W.

[cem_devecioglu]

changed the clit oil myself a few times..

alternator , in the worst place possible..

however for total cost of repair and consumption

not a bad car..

[Broomies Mate]

reno clit new type. the most commonly changed component, (oil filter) if you dont remove an engine brace first the plastic filter cap ends up cracking..

meganes, headlight bulbs thru the wheel arch by feel...

electric powered steering pumps...(i know other manufacturers are adopting this)

i recon the list is endless...

Change the Headlamp bulbs on a Zafira B!!!! You'll wish you had a Renault Megane.

Vauxhall (as well as lots of Manufacturers) have been using Electronic Power Steering for YEARS!

All cars have easy and difficult jobs.  Meh.

[Andy B]

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electric powered steering pumps...(i know other manufacturers are adopting this)
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Vauxhall (as well as lots of Manufacturers) have been using Electronic Power Steering for YEARS!

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There's electric power steering & electric power steering though, my Astra shed still has a electric motor to drive the hydraulic steering pump, SWMBO has a Smart, this uses an electric motor direct on the rack .... no fluid required. I believe the smaller Fiats have a similar set up.

[tidla]

electric on the power steering thou, just dont seem right.

at least driven off the belt there is plenty of leakage, squealing for help rather than, nothing.

seat altea. jacked up at the front, takes all your strength to turn the wheels at the tyre..ratios obviously very high.

[Broomies Mate]

electric on the power steering thou, just dont seem right.

at least driven off the belt there is plenty of leakage, squealing for help rather than, nothing.

seat altea. jacked up at the front, takes all your strength to turn the wheels at the tyre..ratios obviously very high.

An electric motor can make hell of a racket when it's had enough.

Anyway, dont think I'm trying to be argumentative, because I hate French..... I hate anything French, including the people (especially those from that Gay place, Paris).  Their cars are no different to any other though.  Designers and concept engineers are from all nations.  All cars share design ideas (I'm not talking about aesthetic design, although I'm sure that plays a part too).

Also, the fact that the front wheel is harder to rotate through it's steering axis when jacked up proves that the ratio's are better.... less 'lock-to-lock' action to get the thing to move.  Why do you think manufacturers are using electric motors to run the steering?  It certainly isn't a cost saving exercise..... the RND alone must be mahoosive.

[BigAl]

changed the clit oil myself a few times..

alternator , in the worst place possible..

however for total cost of repair and consumption

not a bad car..

you are doing it wrong ...


.. keep the oil, change the car

[tidla]

maybe my experience of electric steering. customer says, steering is heavy... power to the pump, lots of money to be spent.
talking of headlight bulbs,(somewhere) ford had it sorted on the mondeo mk2.
 pull two retaining clips out, complete headlight out. change the bulb till hearts content.

[Brikhead]

I believe the smaller Fiats have a similar set up.

Exactly the same system (and number of reported faults) as on modern Corsa's, Meriva's, etc.