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[feeutfo]

I have an elite, and am chasing the mv6 setup. I have fitted lowered sports chassis suspension all round, this has reduced the body roll significantly and I'm happy enough with the ride, but...

...none of the above has had the slightest impact on the steering feedback, it still pulls and reacts a lot more than an mv6 to the road surface and iregularitys. Why is that?

Afaik there is only one mv6/lowered sports chassis component left to fit that is not present on my car, the center tie rod. The bit holding the track rods, pitman arm, and steering idler together.

Talking to TB and Kevin, there is mention of this part in literature of giving sharper steering, and possibly leading to less bump steer, which is what I am after by the sound of it.

Bump steer... :-/ I believe, and Kevin also mentioned this, is something do with suspension movement affecting the steering, in as much that that steering rods to hub don't work on the same axis as the suspension meaning, as Kevin put it, the suspension movement affects the toe setting, all    Makes sense in my head without fully applying it to the omega...

Anyway, simple question, to achieve the mv6 steering feel of the face lifts of Kevins and Bob Dents cars, do I need the centre tie rod mv6 face lift centre tie rod? Will this give the desired result? Baring in mind it's listed at 140 odd quid on trade club iirc        

[hotel21]

Get it plugged into a real T2 and remove/change the amount of servotronic assistance..... 

[feeutfo]

Get it plugged into a real T2 and remove/change the amount of servotronic assistance..... 

Been down that road H, master checked it, it's on minimal assist already.

Guessing that the sharper steering feel will also feed back less as well, due to less leverage on the steering.... :-/

[Marks DTM Calib]

Get it plugged into a real T2 and remove/change the amount of servotronic assistance..... 

Been down that road H, master checked it, it's on minimal assist already.

Guessing that the sharper steering feel will also feed back less as well, due to less leverage on the steering.... :-/

Struggling to see what the centre tie rod can contribute

Of course, with lowered setup, the wishbones will be at a different angle so that may have an impact

[unclelicklug]

FWIW (and I don't have a good handle on the front suspension layout) I think your understanding of bump steer is 100% correct, and if the MV6 part is different then that's for a reason....£140.00 is not cheap, is it on the cards to get a standard part modified?
Find a part from a broken car for a try out?.

[feeutfo]

Get it plugged into a real T2 and remove/change the amount of servotronic assistance..... 

Been down that road H, master checked it, it's on minimal assist already.

Guessing that the sharper steering feel will also feed back less as well, due to less leverage on the steering.... :-/

Struggling to see what the centre tie rod can contribute

Of course, with lowered setup, the wishbones will be at a different angle so that may have an impact

Short of removing the shock, and visually checking the suspension stroke before and after fitting the centre tie rod, not sure how to prove it.

Stock part is listed on tc as
Centre tie rod assembly - exc. lowered sports chassis from '00      90510648      £165.00      £141.09      £105.60

Lsc not listed for some reason?   :-/

So there are two different parts, and I can not find any faults with the car, new wishbones, a tie rod, no other play, new bearings, several wim set ups. Only leaves this part afaict? And the different geometry of it...but I see your point  :-/

[Kevin Wood]

It would be good to compare the MV6 and Elite parts in case there is a significant difference. Only thing I can think of is that it mounts the inboard ends of the track rods differently to compensate for the lower ride height but I'm not even sure if that's possible without poking my head under the car.

Kevin

[feeutfo]

FWIW (and I don't have a good handle on the front suspension layout) I think your understanding of bump steer is 100% correct, and if the MV6 part is different then that's for a reason....£140.00 is not cheap, is it on the cards to get a standard part modified?
Find a part from a broken car for a try out?.

Breakers would be the normal course, but there are so few facelift mv6 being broken I guess?

Intersting, to me anyway, post 2000mv6 is a different beast in your hands compared to a post 2000 elite. Just tracks so much straighter... :-/

[feeutfo]

It would be good to compare the MV6 and Elite parts in case there is a significant difference. Only thing I can think of is that it mounts the inboard ends of the track rods differently to compensate for the lower ride height but I'm not even sure if that's possible without poking my head under the car.

Kevin

Wonder if andyc has both parts on the shelf? Lsc bound to be special order though I bet ya 

[Kevin Wood]

Wonder if andyc has both parts on the shelf? Lsc bound to be special order though I bet ya 

I wonder if an "on the car" comparison would help? Guess I should have thought about that earlier.

Kevin

[Entwood]

mmmm when you last discussed this

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1271510372/1

the experts said was that there would be no difference, but if that is the case .. why do both LHD and RHD cars have different ones specified for both LSC and "normal" in the EPC ??

I don't see Vx making 4 different tie rods if 2 would do !!!

So I have to guess there IS a difference .. although what it is I don't know ... perhaps its something subtle like the angles of the bends that affect the radii (leverage) of the turns, a small radius will have more "feel" than a large one .. just like a small steering wheel is more "direct" than a large one ... the angular rotation is the same , but the distance travelled on the circumference is different ??

just random thoughts .. nowt else ..

[charlie]

THis is only on facelift or MY2000 onwards,This is the same time the track rod ends change although the same track rod ends are used for both different centre drag links,Just a bit food for thought

[unclelicklug]

mmmm when you last discussed this

http://www.omegaowners.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1271510372/1

the experts said was that there would be no difference, but if that is the case .. why do both LHD and RHD cars have different ones specified for both LSC and "normal" in the EPC ??

I don't see Vx making 4 different tie rods if 2 would do !!!

So I have to guess there IS a difference .. although what it is I don't know ... perhaps its something subtle like the angles of the bends that affect the radii (leverage) of the turns, a small radius will have more "feel" than a large one .. just like a small steering wheel is more "direct" than a large one ... the angular rotation is the same , but the distance travelled on the circumference is different ??

just random thoughts .. nowt else ..

Second that...sorry Chris but I don't think you'll be happy until you have the right part in there, even if only to eliminate it from the list of suspects...

[Marks DTM Calib]

It would be good to compare the MV6 and Elite parts in case there is a significant difference. Only thing I can think of is that it mounts the inboard ends of the track rods differently to compensate for the lower ride height but I'm not even sure if that's possible without poking my head under the car.

Kevin

I cant see that you would ever want different lengths, that would give very odd effects.

I would ahv thought that the bump steer is less because the suspension travel on the harder setup is smaller, this gives less wishbone movement and consequently less interaction from the track rod ends

[feeutfo]

Wonder if andyc has both parts on the shelf? Lsc bound to be special order though I bet ya 

I wonder if an "on the car" comparison would help? Guess I should have thought about that earlier.

Kevin

Oh yes,  I see what you mean  sorry. Vernia gauge and dividers style maybe? No worries 

Suspect if this part has the desired effect re feel and feedback through the steering wheel, no point changing the suspension. Unless for ride, body roll and lowering reasons....?