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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #30 on: 19 September 2010, 22:15:03 »

Why question it?  It's the HG.  It is leaking to exhaust, not to block.

Cheap fix.  Head doesn't need to be skimmed as it will blow again in another 5k anyway.

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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #31 on: 19 September 2010, 22:19:11 »

No mention of a sump full of grey mayo, so money on inlet issue suggested previously by others IMO. Unless it does have gravy for oil of course....
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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #32 on: 19 September 2010, 22:21:13 »

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No mention of a sump full of grey mayo, so money on inlet issue suggested previously by others IMO. Unless it does have gravy for oil of course....

HG wouldn't necessarily contaminate the oil.
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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #33 on: 19 September 2010, 22:24:03 »

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Has it got one of those useless plastic inlet manifolds which includes a water way to the head from the throttle body base
Exactly, master, exactly.

But by putting K series in the title, everyone jumps on th HG ;)


I suspect its the inlet manifold gasket leaking.
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« Reply #34 on: 19 September 2010, 22:24:28 »

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No mention of a sump full of grey mayo, so money on inlet issue suggested previously by others IMO. Unless it does have gravy for oil of course....

HG wouldn't necessarily contaminate the oil.
No, but the length of time this has been going on with coolant loss, it's my bet.

30k life for an HG? Is that good or bad for this engine?
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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #35 on: 19 September 2010, 22:25:51 »

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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #36 on: 19 September 2010, 22:26:58 »

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Has it got one of those useless plastic inlet manifolds which includes a water way to the head from the throttle body base
Exactly, master, exactly.

But by putting K series in the title, everyone jumps on th HG ;)


I suspect its the inlet manifold gasket leaking.

Beauty!  I hope there is a 'fix' for this?  :y
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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #37 on: 19 September 2010, 22:27:14 »

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No mention of a sump full of grey mayo, so money on inlet issue suggested previously by others IMO. Unless it does have gravy for oil of course....

HG wouldn't necessarily contaminate the oil.
No, but the length of time this has been going on with coolant loss, it's my bet.

30k life for an HG? Is that good or bad for this engine?
The HG failures seem to be a sympton, not a cause on many K series.
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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #38 on: 19 September 2010, 22:28:40 »

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No mention of a sump full of grey mayo, so money on inlet issue suggested previously by others IMO. Unless it does have gravy for oil of course....

HG wouldn't necessarily contaminate the oil.
No, but the length of time this has been going on with coolant loss, it's my bet.

30k life for an HG? Is that good or bad for this engine?
The HG failures seem to be a sympton, not a cause on many K series.
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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #39 on: 19 September 2010, 22:30:59 »

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No mention of a sump full of grey mayo, so money on inlet issue suggested previously by others IMO. Unless it does have gravy for oil of course....

HG wouldn't necessarily contaminate the oil.
No, but the length of time this has been going on with coolant loss, it's my bet.

30k life for an HG? Is that good or bad for this engine?
The HG failures seem to be a sympton, not a cause on many K series.
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In the case of an actually failed HG I mean? Having just read this is likely something else.
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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #40 on: 19 September 2010, 22:42:53 »

Generally K gaskets fail due to lack of coolant.  Problem with the K - part of the initial design goal that it had to heat up in a minute or 2, is that it has a tiny amount of coolant - about 2.5-3l.  Smallest leak, an its run out.

Now, the K was one of the first all alloy engines for mass produced cars.  At slightly above normal combustion temps, you get a strange reaction in the alloy joins to HG.

The K also introduced a new cast technique, but wasn't really refined in the BMW era, added to which it is a very lightweight engine, there can be scope for minor distortion (not helped by the long clamping bolts).


So the engine has its flaws, that should have been refined out, but BMW were not prepared to put any R&D money into Rover beyond the ill fated 75 (which BMW knobbled to protect Series 3 sales), the R30 which becames the 1 series, and of course the mini.


But the people who worked on the engine, and those that are rebuilding, do say in most cases, something else happened that caused the higher temps, which causes the HG to fail. With the HG being a symptom.


Particulary bad are the VHP ones and the ones in MGFs, potentially due to distance between rad and engine - the engine should have been reworked for rear engined applications
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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #41 on: 19 September 2010, 23:14:04 »

which genius thought the red rubber rib on the gasket would stop coolant trickling down the front of the engine.
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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #42 on: 19 September 2010, 23:26:40 »

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Now, the K was one of the first all alloy engines for mass produced cars.  ....

not quite the same volumes as a Rover, but Reliant used an all alloy engine for the Regal in the 60's  :y  :y
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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #43 on: 20 September 2010, 10:12:46 »

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Now, the K was one of the first all alloy engines for mass produced cars.  ....

not quite the same volumes as a Rover, but Reliant used an all alloy engine for the Regal in the 60's  :y  :y

hillman imp as well,although they had there own set of cooling issues :y
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Re: White smoke from exhaust - K series
« Reply #44 on: 20 September 2010, 18:54:36 »

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Now, the K was one of the first all alloy engines for mass produced cars.  ....

not quite the same volumes as a Rover, but Reliant used an all alloy engine for the Regal in the 60's  :y  :y

hillman imp as well,although they had there own set of cooling issues :y
Which often ended in HGs letting go...
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