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Re: LPG Single hole or Four hole?
« Reply #30 on: 25 November 2010, 00:01:30 »

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All makes sense, but they have numerous customers of varying budget, not all want to pay top whack for a gremlin free kit. They fitted stag brc in the past and numerous others to suit the customers pocket/fussiness. From what he tells me some LPG customers don't care how they arrive, or even if they arrive as long as it's cheap, going by his report on some of the test drives he's done.

Certainly the stag kit components are reliable in that they don't break. Fact is we all have a lag issue of some sort with a v engine. I'll not be buying another until a solution is found personally. Shame.
Thing is, do Prins, BRC etc suffer issues with the lag?  Certainly my lag only shows up (and not all the time), when ragging the tits off it.

I reckon - though not tried - I could completely eliminate my lag by switching to petrol at around 6500rpm, and ensuring that it ran on petrol for a minimum of 2 or 3s.

My lag is more prevalent at the 2nd to 3rd and the 3rd to 4th gearchanges (and only if it redlines), and occurs immediately after the gearchange.  How many people drive like that? I certainly don't often enough to annoy me, else I would have done something about it.

I'm tempted to go with the Stag, mainly due to the knowledge on here, and then both Omegas also run similar systems,
I can't tell if any other system will lag. But having driven Entwoods car at wot, there is no such issue with his car. Main issue with Stag is lack of support IMO. What sort of supplier leaves an inherent issue to very helpful members on a forum to sort out? Kevin and Paul have bent over backwards to help me and numerous others on here. What has Tllo done other than make a profit?

I spoke to him the other day and he basically blanked it saying nothing will happen for months, I offered to visit, I offered and emailed details of Entwoods system to compare as requested, I rang back and have been blanked ever since. Won't take calls won't answer emails.  >:( how long has he known about the issue? Years?

Frankly I'm surprised people still stick with it....? If you must buy Stag, and there's a fair case for doing so, don't get it from Tilo, he does not deserve the business.

 If there is an issue with the prins, and there better not be for the price, the guy who supplied it is at hand. It is concerning that the issue may be specific to the omega, but if Entwoods system can work flawlessly, so would the prins surely....?
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Re: LPG Single hole or Four hole?
« Reply #31 on: 25 November 2010, 00:04:10 »

And appologies to Dave for hijacking his thread... :-[
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« Reply #32 on: 25 November 2010, 00:10:07 »

And actually the real "thing is" the Stag system should not lag...at all. Why persevere with it on a v engine?

From what I gather it's fine on the 4 pots is it?
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Re: LPG Single hole or Four hole?
« Reply #33 on: 25 November 2010, 00:26:15 »

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If there is an issue with the prins, and there better not be for the price, the guy who supplied it is at hand. It is concerning that the issue may be specific to the omega, but if Entwoods system can work flawlessly, so would the prins surely....?

I'm quite sure it's not. Problem is there with two different generations of Bosch engine management system, so if one of them had some bizarre incompatibility I could believe it, but not both. :-/

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« Reply #34 on: 25 November 2010, 00:42:03 »

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If there is an issue with the prins, and there better not be for the price, the guy who supplied it is at hand. It is concerning that the issue may be specific to the omega, but if Entwoods system can work flawlessly, so would the prins surely....?

I'm quite sure it's not. Problem is there with two different generations of Bosch engine management system, so if one of them had some bizarre incompatibility I could believe it, but not both. :-/

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Well that's good news. But where does that leave us with stag?     ::)
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« Reply #35 on: 25 November 2010, 08:31:05 »

Unfortunately I probably wont be affected by any of these Stag issues any longer as it looks like my Mig is going to have to go up for sale in the next few weeks. And I waited so long to get one with LPG. ::) :'(
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Re: LPG Single hole or Four hole?
« Reply #36 on: 25 November 2010, 14:20:21 »

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If there is an issue with the prins, and there better not be for the price, the guy who supplied it is at hand. It is concerning that the issue may be specific to the omega, but if Entwoods system can work flawlessly, so would the prins surely....?

I'm quite sure it's not. Problem is there with two different generations of Bosch engine management system, so if one of them had some bizarre incompatibility I could believe it, but not both. :-/

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A related q, is it worse on a 3.1.1 ecu? Would. I be better avoiding stag on my 3.2

I am reasonably content with the stag+ on my mv6

Is it the fact it's a stag+ that makes it less noticeable on mine?
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Re: LPG Single hole or Four hole?
« Reply #37 on: 25 November 2010, 15:50:24 »

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A related q, is it worse on a 3.1.1 ecu? Would. I be better avoiding stag on my 3.2

I am reasonably content with the stag+ on my mv6

Is it the fact it's a stag+ that makes it less noticeable on mine?

Lots of questions.. Not sure I've really experienced it in a car other than mine so can't comment on the difference between the two setups.

If I drove my car hard more often than I do then I would be trying harder to resolve it. "Reasonably content"? :-/ It's not something I would put up with if I was frequently changing gear in the 5K-6K region but all the dullards doing a fixed 45 MPH on my commute, and having the Westfield for when I want to have fun, make it less of an issue. ;)

I'm generally either pootling along, or overtaking them with all guns blazing and it seems to work Ok in both of those scenarios.

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Re: LPG Single hole or Four hole?
« Reply #38 on: 25 November 2010, 15:52:05 »

Stag and Stag + are, IIRC, pin compatible, so we could do a swap and see if either of us notices a difference?

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Re: LPG Single hole or Four hole?
« Reply #39 on: 25 November 2010, 18:16:41 »

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A related q, is it worse on a 3.1.1 ecu? Would. I be better avoiding stag on my 3.2

I am reasonably content with the stag+ on my mv6

Is it the fact it's a stag+ that makes it less noticeable on mine?

Lots of questions.. Not sure I've really experienced it in a car other than mine so can't comment on the difference between the two setups.

If I drove my car hard more often than I do then I would be trying harder to resolve it. "Reasonably content"? :-/ It's not something I would put up with if I was frequently changing gear in the 5K-6K region but all the dullards doing a fixed 45 MPH on my commute, and having the Westfield for when I want to have fun, make it less of an issue. ;)

I'm generally either pootling along, or overtaking them with all guns blazing and it seems to work Ok in both of those scenarios.

Kevin
Whilst I don't thrash the tits off the car, I'd be lying if I said it didn't occasionally have a spirited drive ::)

The lag I get - maybe someone can comment if its what they see - is almost like less than half a sec of misfire (remember when we calibrated it, and the 3rd to 4th gearchange (IIRC) when it all went bad?) after it changes gear at redline rpm.

I don't think it particularly hinders my progress, though does make the gearchange uncomfortable, and I doubt its doing any favours to the engine.

Thus reasonably content :)
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Re: LPG Single hole or Four hole?
« Reply #40 on: 25 November 2010, 18:17:55 »

Additionally, I reckon the lag is worse if the tank is under half full....
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Re: LPG Single hole or Four hole?
« Reply #41 on: 25 November 2010, 19:12:51 »

Hmm. Was in a hurry on the way home, and the useless lot at the Total garage had an out of order sign on the pump (normally they do just let me stand there wondering why nothing's happening). This conspired towards a spirited drive on petrol, and reminded me how it should change up under load. ::)

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« Reply #42 on: 25 November 2010, 19:27:46 »

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Hmm. Was in a hurry on the way home, and the useless lot at the Total garage had an out of order sign on the pump (normally they do just let me stand there wondering why nothing's happening). This conspired towards a spirited drive on petrol, and reminded me how it should change up under load. ::)

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having a smaller tank mine often fell a few miles short of the next fill up, suprising what we get used to....
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Re: LPG Single hole or Four hole?
« Reply #43 on: 25 November 2010, 22:05:38 »

Other than warming up this is the first time it's been on petrol for 18 months. ;D

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Re: LPG Single hole or Four hole?
« Reply #44 on: 25 November 2010, 22:15:37 »

First post on the new gayphone so it may go horribly wrong but here goes! ::)

The lag on mine is noticeably worse towards the end of the tank and in cold weather. Seems to be when changes are between about 5100 and 6k rpm. I'm happy enough but feel little frustrated that the problem still hasn't been resolved :(

I may well just go back to the compromise of switching to petrol over 5100 but that seems a shame as red line changes are ok. TBH, I rarely get the lag now as I'm in the habit of lifting slightly to force the change to be more Smooth.
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