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[the alarming man]

yep thing is i drive a peugeot 308 for work (pile of ?) thats kicks in if you fart to loudly omega seems a bit more balanced 

[Psychoca]

Try NOT using your brakes! Drive at a speed slow enough and with enough prediction to make them not needed. Ive been doing the 3 mile journey too and from work for the last 2 weeks without touching the brakes except to hold me at the traffic lights.

eddie

I agree that in icy conditions that it is better to slow by using the engine as opposed to using the brake, except, it is still worth gently pressing the brake, if nothing more than to light the brake lights...

Personally, I find the gentle use of brakes a little reassuring, especally the num ber of emergency stops I have been forced to carry out recently due to dickhead drivers, pulling out in front of me (nearly every day recently, even when my clean lights are on)...

[Danny]

you must drive within the conditions to ensure maximum capability and competance of driving

in some instances, situations are unpredectable, ie, an idiot pulling out in front of you

in icy and snowy conditions, drive much slower, be prepared to have to stop ten times sooner than you normally would

[cem_devecioglu]

armed with snow tires here is my experience and opinion

snow: abs rarely comes into play but of course brake usage proportional to environment and keeping necessary distances and arranging speed according to..

ice : abs suddenly triggers independent of braking power.. but imo abs definitely required as I feel  I will never stop at all and miggy suddenly stops

you cant simulate this press-depress intervals as quick as abs unit..

[feeutfo]

No matter the conditions, "testing" the grip available is important IMO, as Andy says you can't anticipate the conditions until you know what the conditions are, which means knowing the grip available. Be it under acceleration or braking.

For instance we just spent a good 30 minutes doing 40 in a national speed limit, with traffic politely  avoiding us, because the driver we where following from a restaurant knew it was a tad below zero, there for it was icy....when it bloody well wasn't. Refused to test the grip level and guessed, thereby causing everyone far more aggro including himself as he was afraid to use the brakes at junctions and was getting in everyones way. It works the other way too. 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Not at all I have found myself simply not stopping, regardless of how heavy on the pedal......I tend to drive constantly on the brake pedal to judge the road but have felt that ABS has lessened braking efficiency a few times, usually at lights or a junction...

Not sure how you can judge that ABS has lessened brake efficiency, reality is the brakes will be fine, its the tyre surface interface its trying (and TBH does a bloody good job in achieving) to maximise.

[Psychoca]

armed with snow tires here is my experience and opinion

snow: abs rarely comes into play but of course brake usage proportional to environment and keeping necessary distances and arranging speed according to..

ice : abs suddenly triggers independent of braking power.. but imo abs definitely required as I feel  I will never stop at all and miggy suddenly stops

you cant simulate this press-depress intervals as quick as abs unit..

I have to admit, I am starting to see the virtues of Winter tyres....  But, I am still not getting them... 

[cem_devecioglu]

armed with snow tires here is my experience and opinion

snow: abs rarely comes into play but of course brake usage proportional to environment and keeping necessary distances and arranging speed according to..

ice : abs suddenly triggers independent of braking power.. but imo abs definitely required as I feel  I will never stop at all and miggy suddenly stops

you cant simulate this press-depress intervals as quick as abs unit..

I have to admit, I am starting to see the virtues of Winter tyres....  But, I am still not getting them... 

once you start to use them, you will always prefer them .. no obvious reason to take more risk, other than money which is also false economy when you crash..

[aaronjb]

armed with snow tires here is my experience and opinion

snow: abs rarely comes into play but of course brake usage proportional to environment and keeping necessary distances and arranging speed according to..

ice : abs suddenly triggers independent of braking power.. but imo abs definitely required as I feel  I will never stop at all and miggy suddenly stops

you cant simulate this press-depress intervals as quick as abs unit..

I have to admit, I am starting to see the virtues of Winter tyres....  But, I am still not getting them... 

once you start to use them, you will always prefer them .. no obvious reason to take more risk, other than money which is also false economy when you crash..

So don't crash! 

[Debs.]

This is my first Winter driving the Disco; it`s a `95, so no ABS or TC......`seems to manage stopping tolerably on snow (probably down to reasonably 'tready' AT tyres)....but downhill braking on sheet-ice bends has given me a few 'moments' of "OMG" terror!

.....it`s desire to go straight-on when the wheels lock up can be moderated by quickly getting off the brake and immediately back on the throttle (to get all 4 wheels turning); but it`s seriously counter-intuitive and will take lots more Disco-on-ice experience for it to become second nature for when it`s needed in the heat of the moment.

Can`t wait for the thaw and to get my beloved Miggy back in daily use.

[TheBoy]

I think the biggest issue with ABS in ice and snow is the user guide - "Keep brakes depressed hard".  In ice and snow, the car has a tendency to go straight on when ABS is thumping away, unlike dry/wet conditions, so you have to lift off (which I reckon is the best think to do if the ABS activates in dry anyway (though only slightly in the dry))

There are times that locking the wheels would stop quicker (usually 'loose' surfaces), but I'd have ABS any day - thats the reason I ended up with a 1.6 Rover, not the diesel model I did fancy.

[cem_devecioglu]

This is my first Winter driving the Disco; it`s a `95, so no ABS or TC......`seems to manage stopping tolerably on snow (probably down to reasonably 'tready' AT tyres)....but downhill braking on sheet-ice bends has given me a few 'moments' of "OMG" terror!

.....it`s desire to go straight-on when the wheels lock up can be moderated by quickly getting off the brake and immediately back on the throttle (to get all 4 wheels turning); but it`s seriously counter-intuitive and will take lots more Disco-on-ice experience for it to become second nature for when it`s needed in the heat of the moment.

Can`t wait for the thaw and to get my beloved Miggy back in daily use.

Debs ABS system

[kevinminton]

yep thing is i drive a peugeot 308 for work (pile of ?) thats kicks in if you fart to loudly omega seems a bit more balanced 

IME That's another difference between FWD and RWD. FWD engineers have to compromise braking grip suspension geometry etc in order to get traction grip. RWD always has more resilience / flexibility / general "plant" on the ground under heavy braking.

RWD doesn't have to make the braking / acceleration compromise. Notice how light the Omega front wheels go under max acceleration.

[Brikhead]

I've never understood how stopping the brake pads from touching the brake disc improves braking?

I'd rather stamp on the brakes and know that I was getting 100% of the available braking force.

A.B.S. is for people who can't drive properly!

[cem_devecioglu]

I've never understood how stopping the brake pads from touching the brake disc improves braking?

I'd rather stamp on the brakes and know that I was getting 100% of the available braking force.

A.B.S. is for people who can't drive properly!

ABS utilizes the difference between kinetic and static friction coefficients which are different..