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[aaronjb]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-12928747

That little 'experiment' didn't last long - I can't quite decide if they're trying to use the numbers (in the article) to justify speed cameras as preventing accidents & deaths or not..

[TheBoy]

Its unclear who is paying for them, doubt its the council, as they are pretty bankrupt, so possibly the police? Maybe a camera is cheaper than a traffic officer?

(revenue goes directly to central government, to revenue isn't part of the who-pays-for-them debate)

[tidla]

i dont understand why they have to open there mouths. even if they only operated one camera insert/film, i still wouldnt play russian roulette with the other camera boxes.

[Entwood]

i dont understand why they have to open there mouths. even if they only operated one camera insert/film, i still wouldnt play russian roulette with the other camera boxes.

The opposite applies here .... haveing publicly announced that they were turned OFF .. they need all the publicity they can get to say they are back ON ... but they don't need to say how MANY will be operative ....  then the russian roulette rules will apply  ..

[blackviper90210]

Its unclear who is paying for them, doubt its the council, as they are pretty bankrupt, so possibly the police? Maybe a camera is cheaper than a traffic officer?

(revenue goes directly to central government, to revenue isn't part of the who-pays-for-them debate)

Its been on Radio 2 all day about this. Thames Valley are covering the cost to get it up and running. £600,000 for just this year!

They said 8 people (iirc) have died in RTA's since they were turned off, yet (only) 2 were in a speed camera zone!!

I would prefer to see more traffic police out & about than these bloody cameras. I have more respect for a patrolling traffic car than these money boxes. IMHO 

[TheBoy]

Its unclear who is paying for them, doubt its the council, as they are pretty bankrupt, so possibly the police? Maybe a camera is cheaper than a traffic officer?

(revenue goes directly to central government, to revenue isn't part of the who-pays-for-them debate)

Its been on Radio 2 all day about this. Thames Valley are covering the cost to get it up and running. £600,000 for just this year!

They said 8 people (iirc) have died in RTA's since they were turned off, yet (only) 2 were in a speed camera zone!!

I would prefer to see more traffic police out & about than these bloody cameras. I have more respect for a patrolling traffic car than these money boxes. IMHO 

Local TV news says the council were paying £600k, but TVP will be coughing up £800k to run the 72 cameras in the county, paid for by £35 from the awareness courses when caught.

Although they have publically claimed that they have local proof that speed cameras saves lives, when forcing the point, TVP admit that the results from this episode is inconclusive, and they are fudging some specific national results.

The 2 camareas they left on for statistic reasons were the ones where the speed limit is deemed controversial.  The fact speeding increased at one of those sites shows, to me, that the speed limit is inappropriate. Knowing the site, I think it should be a 40mph.  The figures do not say what the thresholds were set to on the camera, or indeed if it was the same when it was 'live'


£800k is an awful lot of money. I personally think that could be better spent on more officiers (and I don't mean the camera partnership part-timers), and also teaching schoolkids the Green Cross Code, the latter I believe would dramatically reduce accidents.

[Grrrrrr]

Thanks for the tip off. I go through Oxfordshire regularly.

The GATSO camaras always were moved around so in Thames Valley I think about 1 in 5 were live at any time. My dash unit picks them up when they're active and that figure seemed about right, although some sites were more regularly 'live' than others.

I went on the speed awareness course. Very good. Quite amusing, some of it. Taught by some ex-traffic cops who themselves disagree with some of the limits and sitings of the camaras. Apparently it is all decided by the council so if that's who you need to petition.

J

[TheBoy]

I have no disagreement with the camera placement or the speed at these particular sites within a 15mile radius of here, so they do get it right sometimes (15m from here covers 3 counties)

[TheBoy]

I have no disagreement with the camera placement or the speed at these particular sites within a 15mile radius of here, so they do get it right sometimes (15m from here covers 3 counties)

Though Sassanach may disagree with one of them   

[Lazydocker]

I'm not too keen on the one on the A43, although it never got me  It has been close a couple of times

[TheBoy]

I'm not too keen on the one on the A43, although it never got me  It has been close a couple of times

I think they are valid due to the silly junction for the Green Man - one way is a blind-ish bend, other is a blind summit (both aren't an issue if you are at the 70mph limit, but if anyone does go a bit rapid (those cameras are rarely live it would appear) when someone is crossing carriageways, its always going to be a biggy....

...now the ones on the A45 in Northampton, they are just revenue generators....

[Lazydocker]

I'm not too keen on the one on the A43, although it never got me  It has been close a couple of times

I think they are valid due to the silly junction for the Green Man - one way is a blind-ish bend, other is a blind summit (both aren't an issue if you are at the 70mph limit, but if anyone does go a bit rapid (those cameras are rarely live it would appear) when someone is crossing carriageways, its always going to be a biggy....

...now the ones on the A45 in Northampton, they are just revenue generators....

I don't disagree with the positioning of them and agree that any high speed accident is going to be unpleasant

Just don't like them when I used to travel it regularly very late at night... Had a few late realisations that I was pressing on a little too much

[TheBoy]

I'm not too keen on the one on the A43, although it never got me  It has been close a couple of times

I think they are valid due to the silly junction for the Green Man - one way is a blind-ish bend, other is a blind summit (both aren't an issue if you are at the 70mph limit, but if anyone does go a bit rapid (those cameras are rarely live it would appear) when someone is crossing carriageways, its always going to be a biggy....

...now the ones on the A45 in Northampton, they are just revenue generators....

I don't disagree with the positioning of them and agree that any high speed accident is going to be unpleasant

Just don't like them when I used to travel it regularly very late at night... Had a few late realisations that I was pressing on a little too much

All 3 cameras on the A43 between the M1 and M40 have rather great big signs just before them warning of cameras

And I too have gone through above the limit (though not massively over, due to lack of road visibility), completely forgetting they are there

[tunnie]

I'm not too keen on the one on the A43, although it never got me  It has been close a couple of times

I think they are valid due to the silly junction for the Green Man - one way is a blind-ish bend, other is a blind summit (both aren't an issue if you are at the 70mph limit, but if anyone does go a bit rapid (those cameras are rarely live it would appear) when someone is crossing carriageways, its always going to be a biggy....

...now the ones on the A45 in Northampton, they are just revenue generators....

I don't disagree with the positioning of them and agree that any high speed accident is going to be unpleasant

Just don't like them when I used to travel it regularly very late at night... Had a few late realisations that I was pressing on a little too much

All 3 cameras on the A43 between the M1 and M40 have rather great big signs just before them warning of cameras

And I too have gone through above the limit (though not massively over, due to lack of road visibility), completely forgetting they are there

I've had a couple of "oh sh!t" moments with that one near the Green Man pub, going towards M1, always remember, but for some reason going back its easy to forget  :-/

[Kevin Wood]

I've had a couple of "oh sh!t" moments with that one near the Green Man pub, going towards M1, always remember, but for some reason going back its easy to forget  :-/

I got flashed at about 72 there a few years back, early one morning when mrs. KW still lived in Wellingborough. Nothing ever came of it though.

Kevin