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[aaronjb]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13609388

From November this year, every time a car manufacturer introduces a new model in the EU it will have to have anti-skid technology called Electronic Stability Control fitted as standard.

From 2014 ESC will have to be included on every new car, even existing models.

A quote from the video:

Now on this [demonstration] car the system can be turned off, of course if you buy a car with ESC you can't turn it off

Now I agree the demonstration is impressive and I tend to agree that the vast majority of people need all the help they can get to avoid stuffing their cars into the armco/cars/pedestrians.. but personally I want to be able to turn that crap off to have fun!

Not to mention all these electronic gadgets are just breeding people who don't actually know the first thing about car control and just expect electronics to get them out of every situation (like the woman who got her brand new car stuck in snow and complained "But this is a new car, it shouldn't get stuck!" if I recall the posting correctly from earlier this year)



I've just turned into Nickbat/Banjax, haven't I?

[cem_devecioglu]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13609388

From November this year, every time a car manufacturer introduces a new model in the EU it will have to have anti-skid technology called Electronic Stability Control fitted as standard.

From 2014 ESC will have to be included on every new car, even existing models.

A quote from the video:

Now on this [demonstration] car the system can be turned off, of course if you buy a car with ESC you can't turn it off

Now I agree the demonstration is impressive and I tend to agree that the vast majority of people need all the help they can get to avoid stuffing their cars into the armco/cars/pedestrians.. but personally I want to be able to turn that crap off to have fun!

Not to mention all these electronic gadgets are just breeding people who don't actually know the first thing about car control and just expect electronics to get them out of every situation (like the woman who got her brand new car stuck in snow and complained "But this is a new car, it shouldn't get stuck!" if I recall the posting correctly from earlier this year)



I've just turned into Nickbat/Banjax, haven't I?

nope.. you havent turned into them

seriously I'm glad what they share with us


and about the subject.. I'm sure car enthusiasts will try every way and soon disable those nannies

[Kevin Wood]

Hmm. Personally I wonder whether, if they banned it, along with TC, ABS, power steering, airbags, automatic gearboxes, mobile phones and in-car entertainment perhaps we would see people driving properly? 

I.E. both hands on the wheel and not dicking about with umpteen different gadgets while 0.05% of their concentration is diverted to not killing themselves?

Kevin

EDIT: Oh, and kids to be carried in a separate (sound proof) compartment to the driver.

[aaronjb]

I'm with you on the last part I've always thought that if you're going to ban phones then you really need to ban kids being carried in a passenger compartment that is visible and accessible from the drivers seat..

The number of times I see people (usually mothers) driving along while turned around fiddling with the kid in the back is astonishing.

[mantahatch]

Hmm. Personally I wonder whether, if they banned it, along with TC, ABS, power steering, airbags, automatic gearboxes, mobile phones and in-car entertainment perhaps we would see people driving properly? 

I.E. both hands on the wheel and not dicking about with umpteen different gadgets while 0.05% of their concentration is diverted to not killing themselves?

Kevin

EDIT: Oh, and kids to be carried in a separate (sound proof) compartment to the driver.

Kevin, I am shocked, how can you have both hands on the wheel driving a manual gearbox ?


 

[mantahatch]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13609388

From November this year, every time a car manufacturer introduces a new model in the EU it will have to have anti-skid technology called Electronic Stability Control fitted as standard.

From 2014 ESC will have to be included on every new car, even existing models.

A quote from the video:

Now on this [demonstration] car the system can be turned off, of course if you buy a car with ESC you can't turn it off

Now I agree the demonstration is impressive and I tend to agree that the vast majority of people need all the help they can get to avoid stuffing their cars into the armco/cars/pedestrians.. but personally I want to be able to turn that crap off to have fun!

Not to mention all these electronic gadgets are just breeding people who don't actually know the first thing about car control and just expect electronics to get them out of every situation (like the woman who got her brand new car stuck in snow and complained "But this is a new car, it shouldn't get stuck!" if I recall the posting correctly from earlier this year)



I've just turned into Nickbat/Banjax, haven't I?

No you have not. They are more interesting than you. 

[Kevin Wood]

Kevin, I am shocked, how can you have both hands on the wheel driving a manual gearbox ?


 

Ooh! I'd have to have flappy paddles.

[aaronjb]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13609388

From November this year, every time a car manufacturer introduces a new model in the EU it will have to have anti-skid technology called Electronic Stability Control fitted as standard.

From 2014 ESC will have to be included on every new car, even existing models.

A quote from the video:

Now on this [demonstration] car the system can be turned off, of course if you buy a car with ESC you can't turn it off

Now I agree the demonstration is impressive and I tend to agree that the vast majority of people need all the help they can get to avoid stuffing their cars into the armco/cars/pedestrians.. but personally I want to be able to turn that crap off to have fun!

Not to mention all these electronic gadgets are just breeding people who don't actually know the first thing about car control and just expect electronics to get them out of every situation (like the woman who got her brand new car stuck in snow and complained "But this is a new car, it shouldn't get stuck!" if I recall the posting correctly from earlier this year)



I've just turned into Nickbat/Banjax, haven't I?

No you have not. They are more interesting than you. 

Oh, I'm hurt.

[jimac]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13609388

Now I agree the demonstration is impressive and I tend to agree that the vast majority of people need all the help they can get to avoid stuffing their cars into the armco/cars/pedestrians.. but personally I want to be able to turn that crap off to have fun!

Not to mention all these electronic gadgets are just breeding people who don't actually know the first thing about car control and just expect electronics to get them out of every situation (like the woman who got her brand new car stuck in snow and complained "But this is a new car, it shouldn't get stuck!" if I recall the posting correctly from earlier this year)

Yeah, let's get rid of all that lame stuff that idiot drivers depend on so that we can enjoy really driving our cars. You know, things like synchromesh gears, power steering, servo-assisted brakes, independent rear suspension. Things were never the same after the 1920s.

[Kevin Wood]

Yeah, let's get rid of all that lame stuff that idiot drivers depend on so that we can enjoy really driving our cars. You know, things like synchromesh gears, power steering, servo-assisted brakes, independent rear suspension. Things were never the same after the 1920s.

Yeah, I'd absolutely be up for some of that. Perhaps more of the idiots would decide it's not for them and the roads would be reclaimed by those who take a modicum of pride in their driving.

Kevin

[TheBoy]

Hmm. Personally I wonder whether, if they banned it, along with TC, ABS, power steering, airbags, automatic gearboxes, mobile phones and in-car entertainment perhaps we would see people driving properly? 

I.E. both hands on the wheel and not dicking about with umpteen different gadgets while 0.05% of their concentration is diverted to not killing themselves?

Kevin

EDIT: Oh, and kids to be carried in a separate (sound proof) compartment to the driver.

You forgot all the wanky, gay gonks that every rather retard has plastered all over the windscreen to increase the guesswork involved in seeing where you are going 

And the rather MOTer had the rather nerve to fail mine on a poxy rather air freshener  , yet the gays are allowed shite splattered all over the inside of the rather windscreen   


Or has TomTom got that good that the driver has no input?




I'm going off to think of nice thoughts....   ....blue sea, beaches, peace and quiet, relaxation, the thought of HS2 Ltd going up the Gary Glitter...

[Varche]

I think we have to accept that along with other freedoms in life, driving a car how we like will go soon enough. What amazes me is that it hasn't been really started yet.

[aaronjb]

Hmm. Personally I wonder whether, if they banned it, along with TC, ABS, power steering, airbags, automatic gearboxes, mobile phones and in-car entertainment perhaps we would see people driving properly? 

I.E. both hands on the wheel and not dicking about with umpteen different gadgets while 0.05% of their concentration is diverted to not killing themselves?

Kevin

EDIT: Oh, and kids to be carried in a separate (sound proof) compartment to the driver.

You forgot all the wanky, gay gonks that every rather retard has plastered all over the windscreen to increase the guesswork involved in seeing where you are going 

And the rather MOTer had the rather nerve to fail mine on a poxy rather air freshener  , yet the gays are allowed shite splattered all over the inside of the rather windscreen   


Or has TomTom got that good that the driver has no input?




I'm going off to think of nice thoughts....   ....blue sea, beaches, peace and quiet, relaxation, the thought of HS2 Ltd going up the Gary Glitter...

So far in this thread, then, I'm boring, retarded and gay..

[Omegatoy]

How strange!!
a figging front wheel drive p.o.s. suffers from lift off oversteer,
 what the hell do they expect?

[TheBoy]

Hmm. Personally I wonder whether, if they banned it, along with TC, ABS, power steering, airbags, automatic gearboxes, mobile phones and in-car entertainment perhaps we would see people driving properly? 

I.E. both hands on the wheel and not dicking about with umpteen different gadgets while 0.05% of their concentration is diverted to not killing themselves?

Kevin

EDIT: Oh, and kids to be carried in a separate (sound proof) compartment to the driver.

You forgot all the wanky, gay gonks that every rather retard has plastered all over the windscreen to increase the guesswork involved in seeing where you are going 

And the rather MOTer had the rather nerve to fail mine on a poxy rather air freshener  , yet the gays are allowed shite splattered all over the inside of the rather windscreen   


Or has TomTom got that good that the driver has no input?




I'm going off to think of nice thoughts....   ....blue sea, beaches, peace and quiet, relaxation, the thought of HS2 Ltd going up the Gary Glitter...

So far in this thread, then, I'm boring, retarded and gay..

And which do you prefer, Mr aaronjb