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[Martin_1962]

Whats the difference between roadworthiness and safety ?

Emmisions

[aaronjb]

Depends on the definition of roadworthiness I suppose.
Worthy to be on the road, including any possible events which may take place on the road,including an accident ?......in which case seatbelts would come under roadworthiness. :-/

And on that basis all the old cars with no seatbelts at all would have to be taken off the road (But they're not - they're roadworthy .. but arguably not very safe)

[Marks DTM Calib]

Depends on the definition of roadworthiness I suppose.
Worthy to be on the road, including any possible events which may take place on the road,including an accident ?......in which case seatbelts would come under roadworthiness. :-/

And on that basis all the old cars with no seatbelts at all would have to be taken off the road (But they're not - they're roadworthy .. but arguably not very safe)

 

[Marks DTM Calib]

Whats the difference between roadworthiness and safety ?

Emmisions

How on earth do you work that one out?

[albitz]

I think thats more of a compromise situation than safety/roadworthiness definition.
When the seatbelt law was introduced it would have been political suicide to ban all the cars without seatbelts.
Nowadays they are few and far between - classic/veteran/vintage, covering very few miles in most cases. So in reality, an exception to the norm has been made for them.

[albitz]

Whats the difference between roadworthiness and safety ?

Emmisions

I would imagine it would come under the heading of safety of the general public. Im no tree hugger, but we wouldnt want all vehicles pumping out the levels of pollution which used to come out of them in the 50,s/60,s would we ?

[Marks DTM Calib]

I think thats more of a compromise situation than safety/roadworthiness definition.
When the seatbelt law was introduced it would have been political suicide to ban all the cars without seatbelts.
Nowadays they are few and far between - classic/veteran/vintage, covering very few miles in most cases. So in reality, an exception to the norm has been made for them.

hence my statement that safety is designed in and the MOT checks roadworthyness

It applies to more than seat belts, its brakes, suspension, crumple zones, airbags, side imapct bars etc etc etc.

[Kevin Wood]

What constitutes roadworthy is defined when the vehicle was first registered, so if there was no requirement for seatbelts and emissions limits, so be it, although emissions testing was introduced retrospectively for some cars (at a level that they should easily have been able to pass) the general assumption is that you don't retrospectively impose requirements on older vehicles.

[Martin_1962]

Whats the difference between roadworthiness and safety ?

Emmisions

How on earth do you work that one out?

A car with high emmisions at idle would fail MT but not unsafe due to that

[Marks DTM Calib]

A car with a number plate bulb out would also fail but its not unsafe....

[tunnie]

A car with a number plate bulb out would also fail but its not unsafe....

But what about driving at night? 

I think with all these things, its just a case of if you get caught. I accidentally let an MOT expire for almost a month, genuinely forgot. Never challenged, no wonder people don't bother.

Back in Brackley, your lucky to see a copper once a year, even then its a Panda car and not tricked up on with ANPR

[Marks DTM Calib]

A car with a number plate bulb out would also fail but its not unsafe....

But what about driving at night? 

I think with all these things, its just a case of if you get caught. I accidentally let an MOT expire for almost a month, genuinely forgot. Never challenged, no wonder people don't bother.

Back in Brackley, your lucky to see a copper once a year, even then its a Panda car and not tricked up on with ANPR

Still not unsafe as its not classed as primary lighting, its there only to allow identification of the car via its number plate at night

[tmx]

ANPR will only Flag if no current MOT and its a Low priority alert it gives off (may vary by police force)

ie A MIDAS alert (No insurance) will be priority one!

[Entwood]

ANPR will only Flag if no current MOT and its a Low priority alert it gives off (may vary by police force)

ie A MIDAS alert (No insurance) will be priority one!

 

Thats the question really .... is

MOT fail = no current MOT

 on the "system", even though the last MOT certificate is still in date ... as MOT fail means unroadworthy it would seem.......

[tunnie]

ANPR will only Flag if no current MOT and its a Low priority alert it gives off (may vary by police force)

ie A MIDAS alert (No insurance) will be priority one!

 

Thats the question really .... is

MOT fail = no current MOT

 on the "system", even though the last MOT certificate is still in date ... as MOT fail means unroadworthy it would seem.......

I can't see it updating that fast, I remember watching Road Wars they tugged a car, ANPR pinged a drugs alert. Turns out lady bought it about 2 months ago and had no record. If we are talking a week or two even days, even how rubbish the DVLA are, I don't think it would alert.

Problems you would have i think is having a prag on the way back, insurance might use it as an excuse not to pay out