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RonaldMcBurger

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Re: final written warning....
« Reply #15 on: 29 August 2007, 22:00:49 »

Dear Comet

Why don't you take your shite job and shove it where the sun doesn't shine. You are a vrap company selling crap goods - WTF are 'electricals' anyway? Electrical items, yes. Electronic gadgets, yes, Elictricals? WTF is that?

Appart from anything else, Gail Porter is a moose and anyone that uses her nagging Glasgy voice to advertise isn't worth woking for anyway.

So, on the count of three, ONE, TWO, THREE....... SHOVE IT!

Loads of love
Ronnie


ps.... Now I know this doesn't help much, but you should feel all the better for knowing that I have actually sent much worse before!
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Re: final written warning....
« Reply #16 on: 29 August 2007, 23:12:10 »

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 you should feel all the better for knowing that I have actually sent much worse before!

Somehow... I have no problems believing this!!
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« Reply #17 on: 30 August 2007, 01:56:23 »

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I'm afraid Comet are not the exception these days. It's the way of the world these days.  You have my sympathy...and good luck if it does get to court.

As a footnote, it's not unusual for someone to claim that a delivery driver collided with their wall/car/prize orange tree. It's highly likely that comets insurance will pay out without too much hassle.

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    I remember one incident i had whilst working for Securicor. We were issued with our own vans and one Monday morning was called into the Managers office and told that someone in Ealing had rung in to report my van hitting their parked car and had kept on driving, this supposedly on my regular Friday run in Ealing the previous Friday.

 Well when the Manager asked what i had to say about the accident i asked what the person had reported and why they thought it was me because vans from other areas also worked there. His answer was he had taken down your reg. #!

 Well whenever i used a different van because mine was off the road for some reason i would write it down in a book i kept with my hours worked etc. and when i checked my book i had indeed used another van that day much to my delight :) and obviously the car owner had seen my van on a regular basis and was trying it on >:(.

 Worst of all was my Manager said he had checked up and knew my van was off the road that day and seemed gutted that i knew also, i never did like that git >:(.
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« Reply #18 on: 30 August 2007, 02:04:11 »

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...Worst of all was my Manager said he had checked up and knew my van was off the road that day and seemed gutted that i knew also, i never did like that git >:(.

Unbelievable... he knew you didn't do it and yet was happy to have you disciplined on the chance that you wouldn't check the records?  >:(



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Re: final written warning....
« Reply #19 on: 30 August 2007, 09:13:24 »

I had something similar happen to me when I used to work for City Link, i was reversing down a women's drive and knocked over her bird bath  ::), i tell you what that women could swear, i just kept calm, gave her the office phone number and told her not to worry they would sort it out.
When i got back that night, she had phoned and told them i was swearing at her, told her to PI$$ OFF, well i did not not.

And who do you think they believed, yep it was her..... :-[

I got a writtne warning for that....

The Swines...  :y
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« Reply #20 on: 30 August 2007, 11:31:46 »

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...Worst of all was my Manager said he had checked up and knew my van was off the road that day and seemed gutted that i knew also, i never did like that git >:(.

Unbelievable... he knew you didn't do it and yet was happy to have you disciplined on the chance that you wouldn't check the records?  >:(




there are some a...holes around - bet he wasn't an Omega driver.
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« Reply #21 on: 30 August 2007, 11:45:08 »

I'm struggling with this...

A final warning is a serious thing.   On what basis was this issued precisely?
'alledgedly' isn't good enough - who is alledging it? on what basis?  you can prove no damage to your vehicle with the pics which backs up your case that you didn't do it.    'Ignoring a road sign'  - what doesn that mean - was it a height/weight/load restriction?   Single track road with passing places does not legally mean you can't take your vehicle down it.

Is there any evidence/witness that you knocked the wall down?   If not I doubt the police would prosecute if they had no way of proving it.   Why are they involved at all?   If you have a minor accident the police wouldn't normally be involved unless their is personal injury.    Have they interviewed you? - did you tell them that it wasn't you and you have pics of your vehicle to prove no corresponding damage.
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bertiecbx550

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« Reply #22 on: 30 August 2007, 19:47:16 »

no i`ve not been interviewed by the plods yet... all they have done is send a notice of intended prosecution to me and asked me to send my details to em... somehow i doubt i will be interviewed by em as for work i am gonna appeal and i am currently trying to find out from the highways agency or staffs council as to what the axel weight is on the road and the restrictions around there concerning lorries i.e. bin wagons have to go there dont they?? removal lorries?  other delivery vehicles??? one thing i did find out today was that they sent an engineer to take a photo of the sign down there and ask his opinion of what the road was like...but when i asked where his statement was they said they did not require one and its funny i am now being denied access to vehicle defect sheets.....stitch up or what?? i think they want me to walk out and quit and i think its all about me complaining about drivers hours and crews coming back late at night.....coincedence or what???
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« Reply #23 on: 30 August 2007, 20:28:53 »

The fact that a NIP has been served does not mean that a prosecution is going to happen.  Police will issue this immediately to ensure all avenues are kept open.

It does seem to me (based on what I've read here) that there is no public interest in proceeding with a prosecution.  More likely, a resident has contacted the police over a damaged wall and reported it as a fail to report/stop.

If you had no knowledge of the collision, then you wouldn't stop - a plausible explanation.

I believe you will need to be interviewed at some stage if the police decide to pursue this.  My advice is to:-

1) Agree to the interview.
2) Insist that the interview takes place at a police station.
3) Free and independent legal advice is offered during interview at a police station which you should take.

Why would the courts or the CPS want to pursue a case of Section 3 (Careless) when nobody was injured and you have provided a good explanation (ie you were doing a delivery to a location with only one route, you knew not of the collision and there was no new damage).

Seems to me like a non-starter as far as criminal prosecutions go.....

As for the disciplinary route, appeal, appeal and appeal again.

Final written warnings usually have two stages of appeal and you can mention all the issues you ave raised here.  Ensure your union rep or equavalent is present!!

Good luck!!
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« Reply #24 on: 30 August 2007, 20:44:06 »

Fight the nip!

Very similar happened to a neighbour of mine.....whos also a taxi driver.
He got sent a nip for failing to stop after an accident.....he was alledged to have reversed into a parked car.....he was invited for an interview......either his home or police station.....he chose police station.
He turned up and was interviewed.....he was asked serveral questions....recorded!
He denied reversing into the car......and asked why think it was him.....police officer said taxi plate number was taken......police contacted local council and his details were provided.
He was asked by police if he was in this street at the time of alledged offence.....he said he couldnt remember.....they replied yes he was as they had contacted his office who had given details of a pickup in the street at the time.....so he agreed then he must of been.
My neighbour asked how much damage was done.....police officer replied substantial.....so my neighbour...said so my car must be damaged quite a bit as well.....officer replied most likely.

Then my neighbour insisted the officer take a look as his car to see any damage.....and wouldnt proceed with the interview without that happening......might have been a leanent officer but he agreed to suspend the interview and have a look.

This he did.....and commented no damage apparent tho you might have had replacement bumper and respray.....Neighbour said you can get forensic if you like......the paint on the bumper is the same/age as the rest of car.

Result was a week later......he had a letter.....nip dropped no further action being taken.

Sooo.....it was someone trying it on to get his car repaired free...

I suggested to my neighbour.....that he takes the winker to small claims.....to recover costs.....ie lost earnings attending interview and also costs for worry about the nip......

However hes getting nowhere trying to get the name and address of the complainent from the police  :(

From this incident and the one youve experienced it seems issue nip and see if the innocent can prove it wrong  >:(

Good luck  :)
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« Reply #25 on: 30 August 2007, 21:18:39 »

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Fight the nip!

Very similar happened to a neighbour of mine.....whos also a taxi driver.
He got sent a nip for failing to stop after an accident.....he was alledged to have reversed into a parked car.....he was invited for an interview......either his home or police station.....he chose police station.
He turned up and was interviewed.....he was asked serveral questions....recorded!
He denied reversing into the car......and asked why think it was him.....police officer said taxi plate number was taken......police contacted local council and his details were provided.
He was asked by police if he was in this street at the time of alledged offence.....he said he couldnt remember.....they replied yes he was as they had contacted his office who had given details of a pickup in the street at the time.....so he agreed then he must of been.
My neighbour asked how much damage was done.....police officer replied substantial.....so my neighbour...said so my car must be damaged quite a bit as well.....officer replied most likely.

Then my neighbour insisted the officer take a look as his car to see any damage.....and wouldnt proceed with the interview without that happening......might have been a leanent officer but he agreed to suspend the interview and have a look.

This he did.....and commented no damage apparent tho you might have had replacement bumper and respray.....Neighbour said you can get forensic if you like......the paint on the bumper is the same/age as the rest of car.

Result was a week later......he had a letter.....nip dropped no further action being taken.

Sooo.....it was someone trying it on to get his car repaired free...

I suggested to my neighbour.....that he takes the winker to small claims.....to recover costs.....ie lost earnings attending interview and also costs for worry about the nip......

However hes getting nowhere trying to get the name and address of the complainent from the police  :(

From this incident and the one youve experienced it seems issue nip and see if the innocent can prove it wrong  >:(

Good luck  :)


If the complainant is alleging that the taxi caused the damage, then the taxi owner and taxi driver are entitled to have name and address of the complainant as per the Road Traffic Act.  Essentally, any allegations of damage needs to go through all parties insurance companies and names and addresses need to be exchanged.  The police accident collisions records should pass this information on!!
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bertiecbx550

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« Reply #26 on: 30 August 2007, 21:24:07 »

i`d like to say thanx to all of you folks for all of the support and advice you have given me over this incident espec you ronnie your comments have made me piss myself with laughter.. you have all shown me that it is not the end of the world and that there alternatives and other avenues to take i will be appealing and i will win because i know i have not done anything wrong ...so thanx to you all  :y  :y
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« Reply #27 on: 30 August 2007, 21:35:39 »

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Fight the nip!

Very similar happened to a neighbour of mine.....whos also a taxi driver.
He got sent a nip for failing to stop after an accident.....he was alledged to have reversed into a parked car.....he was invited for an interview......either his home or police station.....he chose police station.
He turned up and was interviewed.....he was asked serveral questions....recorded!
He denied reversing into the car......and asked why think it was him.....police officer said taxi plate number was taken......police contacted local council and his details were provided.
He was asked by police if he was in this street at the time of alledged offence.....he said he couldnt remember.....they replied yes he was as they had contacted his office who had given details of a pickup in the street at the time.....so he agreed then he must of been.
My neighbour asked how much damage was done.....police officer replied substantial.....so my neighbour...said so my car must be damaged quite a bit as well.....officer replied most likely.

Then my neighbour insisted the officer take a look as his car to see any damage.....and wouldnt proceed with the interview without that happening......might have been a leanent officer but he agreed to suspend the interview and have a look.

This he did.....and commented no damage apparent tho you might have had replacement bumper and respray.....Neighbour said you can get forensic if you like......the paint on the bumper is the same/age as the rest of car.

Result was a week later......he had a letter.....nip dropped no further action being taken.

Sooo.....it was someone trying it on to get his car repaired free...

I suggested to my neighbour.....that he takes the winker to small claims.....to recover costs.....ie lost earnings attending interview and also costs for worry about the nip......

However hes getting nowhere trying to get the name and address of the complainent from the police  :(

From this incident and the one youve experienced it seems issue nip and see if the innocent can prove it wrong  >:(

Good luck  :)


If the complainant is alleging that the taxi caused the damage, then the taxi owner and taxi driver are entitled to have name and address of the complainant as per the Road Traffic Act.  Essentally, any allegations of damage needs to go through all parties insurance companies and names and addresses need to be exchanged.  The police accident collisions records should pass this information on!!

At the mo the police wont tell him who the complainent is.....as far as they are concerned they have dropped the matter.....so wont pass on info.....if the complainent wants to pursue it....which i doubt....then i guess he will get the details...but at this mo.....hes asked the police for the details....and they have said...as were not pursuing it...no...  :-/
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