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[Golfbuddy]

Given that nobody here knows the history of the boys concerned, or the experiences/lives they may have led that have pushed them "off" the rails - I don't feel we are really in a position to judge or comment.

A good point, well made James, but I feel the problem is that people are always very quick to blame bad behaviour on some outside influence and to talk about outside influences having an effect on behaviour.

If you teach a baby that you will give them a treat each time they cry then they will cry often. If you teach an older infant that each time they misbehave they will be lavished with positive attention then they will misbehave often. By the time they reach teenage years they don't have the concept of disciplined behaviour. If you then reinforce that ill discipline by continuing not to confront bad behaviour in a robust manner then, I'm afraid, you will continue to get bad behaviour whenever they want to be noticed.

On the other hand, if bad behaviour is punished and dealt with vigorously then you have a chance of gradually changing that behaviour.

Only my opinion but I have fostered around 15 - 20 teenagers over the past 8 years. Most of them with 'challenging' behaviour. What most of them, and it is important not to stereotype, need and crave are clearly defined ground rules and consequences for poor behaviour along positive consequences for good behaviour.

 

[Markie]

Given that nobody here knows the history of the boys concerned, or the experiences/lives they may have led that have pushed them "off" the rails - I don't feel we are really in a position to judge or comment.

I do James. In great detail. SWMBOS job is one of those that the partners live with.

I am also the one that is awaiting my wife to return home 4 hours after shift end - with the previous incident last time resulting in a female having her nose broke.

Not a go at you - not at all, just pointing out there is no excuse and the back ground - remembering its social work she is in, is very detailed. These are not "clients" from broken homes, beaten to a pulp and so on... these are guys too young to go to jail but boast about how there going to get there when they are old enough. These guys are persistant repeat offenders, one previous had 78 ASBOS!

Understand your poit fully - and its a very intelligent point - but I am with good reason wondering if i will get the v6 coming up the drive or a call saying she is in hospital. Its happened before on several times.


Golfbuddy`s point above is equally intelligent and well made - in fact an intelligance - or to me " management style" that is sadly lacking in this particular institution. My wife being first to acknowledge this - but then again she simply follows orders  

[Marks DTM Calib]

They need boot camp.......drum some respect into them.

No matter what there past, you need to start by opening thier eyes!

[Markie]

...well she got in about 3am from yesterdays bacck shift and has left at 7am for todays early shift

[TheBoy]

As others said, a stint in the services where the sgt will not wipe their arses for them, and not namby pamby 'do what you want Johnny' crap  

[Martin_1962]

Not a go at you - not at all, just pointing out there is no excuse and the back ground - remembering its social work she is in, is very detailed. These are not "clients" from broken homes, beaten to a pulp and so on... these are guys too young to go to jail but boast about how there going to get there when they are old enough. These guys are persistant repeat offenders, one previous had 78 ASBOS!

Boast about going to prison so they can be someones sex toy - the mind boggles

[Martin_1962]

...well she got in about 3am from yesterdays bacck shift and has left at 7am for todays early shift

That is dangerous for her health - she should not have gone in, she has rights too

[TheBoy]

...well she got in about 3am from yesterdays bacck shift and has left at 7am for todays early shift

That is dangerous for her health - she should not have gone in, she has rights too

Reality is you don't...   ...I used to frequently be in work for 25 - 30hrs non stop.  Hence I gave up callout (so many callouts, you frequently didn't even leave the building before the first).

[Markie]

...well she got in about 3am from yesterdays bacck shift and has left at 7am for todays early shift

That is dangerous for her health - she should not have gone in, she has rights too

Dont get me started on that one Martin - in the normal world your quite correct.

However as part of their contract they sign away this right.....

[CaptainZok]

...well she got in about 3am from yesterdays bacck shift and has left at 7am for todays early shift

That is dangerous for her health - she should not have gone in, she has rights too

Dont get me started on that one Martin - in the normal world your quite correct.

However as part of their contract they sign away this right.....

You can't sign away an employer's legal responsibility in a works contract, well you can but it's legally invalid. If you mean that Mrs Markie has opted out of the Working Time Regulations, then she can also opt back in by giving notice in writing to her employers.

[Martin_1962]

...well she got in about 3am from yesterdays bacck shift and has left at 7am for todays early shift

That is dangerous for her health - she should not have gone in, she has rights too

Dont get me started on that one Martin - in the normal world your quite correct.

However as part of their contract they sign away this right.....

This is where I think the best answer is a union, I am not a big fan on unions but when it comes to staff abuse like this they are perfect for the job.

I hope she is allowed this - also how about the papers

TBH I would have called in sick!

[sir moanalot]

anyone mentioned dropping into the pool about 500 piranahs? and when the lowlifes come out -boot camps/solitary and chain gangs instead of "be good sweetners".
but ultimetly the parents are too busy with their sky tv, stella and ounce of hash nowadays, that seems to be a root of some problem kids.........

[Markie]

things seem to be quieter today - but think she needs trating to take away when she comes in tonght....assuming she gets away at 10pm!!!!!!

[Danny]

well when i was a child there wasnt anything in all the free WORLD more powerful than.... I'LL TELL YOUR DAD!