Retro-fitting a carb and distributor to an Omega!

[JamesV6CDX]

Ok, fed up with this project that won't run. If I change all the inlet and that doesn't solve it, I'm going to do something different. Either get rid of it and cut  my losses (shame, it's mint)... or.... Retro fit a dizzy and carb!

I read on the other side a while ago that it can be done, and sounds like a bit of a laff!

Question is, what parts to use. I guess I'd have to change the head, to accomodate a  dizzy that runs off the camshaft. What could I get the head from, would one off say, a 2.0 cavalier fit? then I"d need to identify which gasket to use, and what to do about an exhaust manifold..

And then the timing belt won't fit, so I'd need to use a  different belt..

Then I would need to find a different inlet manifold I guess, capable of taking a carb, and modify the fuel feeds to fit...

Big worry is if the ECU isn't working, eg it's all running mechanically, what impact is this going to have on the autobox, would it get iits knickers in a twist?

Anyone got any thoughts, any of the experienced guys (eg mark ) know if it's actually possible, and what parts from other VXhalls I would need??

It sounds a can of worms, but is it do-able? We're up for a bit of   fun, if it is!!

[markey mark]

while i will say it could be done  :-? you will struggle to get it though an mot cat test matey !! why not fit c20xe red top   a lot better motor and easier to rig up on throttle bodies  

[Andy B]

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why not fit c20xe red top   a lot better motor and easier to rig up on throttle bodies  

But then you're modifying your car & insurance companies don't like modified cars.  
Anyway, surely you're supposed to have more cylinders than doors!  

[STMO123]

You're a glutton for punishment, James

[Admin]

Hmmm, good thing you are not a doctor....

Somewhat extreme measures for what will turn out to be a relatively simple problem.

I know it has probably been said before (by Marks DTM) but the key to resolviong your problem lies in being very disciplined and checking each and every thing in order. Don't go jumping to conclusions or looking at random areas.

It has been the best of many good pieces of advice he has ever given me about working on cars.

[Tony H]

Ok, fed up with this project that won't run. If I change all the inlet and that doesn't solve it, I'm going to do something different. Either get rid of it and cut  my losses (shame, it's mint)... or.... Retro fit a dizzy and carb!

I read on the other side a while ago that it can be done, and sounds like a bit of a laff!

Question is, what parts to use. I guess I'd have to change the head, to accomodate a  dizzy that runs off the camshaft. What could I get the head from, would one off say, a 2.0 cavalier fit? then I"d need to identify which gasket to use, and what to do about an exhaust manifold..

And then the timing belt won't fit, so I'd need to use a  different belt..

Then I would need to find a different inlet manifold I guess, capable of taking a carb, and modify the fuel feeds to fit...

Big worry is if the ECU isn't working, eg it's all running mechanically, what impact is this going to have on the autobox, would it get iits knickers in a twist?

Anyone got any thoughts, any of the experienced guys (eg mark ) know if it's actually possible, and what parts from other VXhalls I would need??

It sounds a can of worms, but is it do-able? We're up for a bit of   fun, if it is!!

"Jeeesus"   talk about the cure being worse than the ailment I second what L.B says methodical and diciplined fault finding is the only way

[TheBoy]

And cure that code 19 fault

[JamesV6CDX]

Reading these responses has really made me laugh and cheered me up  

I knew I was being way out + silly, but the idea in principle seemed like fun and I was interested to hear what people had to say!

I'm all for working methodically to resolve the problem I've got, however, I've nothing left to try

The crank sensor I tried was not brand new, however it has been proven working in another engine, so I can't assume it's that?

I'm outta ideas, the plugs are all the wrong colour, and it's not running, I've already changed DIS, plugs, leads, and crank sensor, I don't know what else to try

I'm all for the methodical approach, but although an enthusiast, I'm not an expert like mark, and there's only so much I know what to look for and how to test - and at the moment, I feel like I'm throwing money at things which aren't solving the cause of this issue.

I  really appreciate the help offered here, and am more than willing to try anything feasable that's suggested!

Cheers all, whoever guesses the cause of this correctly, gets a crate of whatever they drink on me, and I mean that

[TheBoy]

Reading these responses has really made me laugh and cheered me up  

I knew I was being way out + silly, but the idea in principle seemed like fun and I was interested to hear what people had to say!

I'm all for working methodically to resolve the problem I've got, however, I've nothing left to try

The crank sensor I tried was not brand new, however it has been proven working in another engine, so I can't assume it's that?

I'm outta ideas, the plugs are all the wrong colour, and it's not running, I've already changed DIS, plugs, leads, and crank sensor, I don't know what else to try

I'm all for the methodical approach, but although an enthusiast, I'm not an expert like mark, and there's only so much I know what to look for and how to test - and at the moment, I feel like I'm throwing money at things which aren't solving the cause of this issue.

I  really appreciate the help offered here, and am more than willing to try anything feasable that's suggested!

Cheers all, whoever guesses the cause of this correctly, gets a crate of whatever they drink on me, and I mean that

The crank sensor itself doesn't fail afaik, its the cable.  Wondering if by putting on an old (working) one, the cable (which would have been brittle through age and heat) as gone?

Cam sensor is another possibility, but my feeling is still crank (seeing as ECU complaining about it). Assuming its plugged in OK

[JamesV6CDX]

I agree with your logic mate.

Is it worth investing in a brand new one?

[JamesV6CDX]

And yeah, it IS plugged in ok  

[TheBoy]

I agree with your logic mate.

Is it worth investing in a brand new one?

i believe so. if it was me, i would.

[TheBoy]

or strip wire near actual sensor, and run up new bit of wire to plug....  ...purely as a bodge to see if it helps, then replace it...

[JamesV6CDX]

I will give that a go tonight!

[JamesV6CDX]

Tried a crank sensor off a neighbours working Veccy 2.0 (same engine)

Unfortunately the same symptoms.

I also changed over the throttly body but that's not made any difference.

Interestingly, when I hooked up the battery to the omega, the code 19 fault was there before I'd even tried to crank it, and it can't have been a historic code, because the battery had been off for ages...

Stuck!