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How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« on: 14 June 2007, 15:29:22 »

Guys,

Can anyone help me how can I clean the EGR valve on my 2.2i Omega?

Thanks
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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #1 on: 14 June 2007, 18:09:54 »

I tend to blank them off.
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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #2 on: 15 June 2007, 13:18:57 »

And how should I do that, I guess if I just remove the connector it will drop error code? In addition I do not fully see how can I remove the EGR, it is behind the engine. Does anyone has experience with it?
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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #3 on: 15 June 2007, 14:34:41 »

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And how should I do that, I guess if I just remove the connector it will drop error code? In addition I do not fully see how can I remove the EGR, it is behind the engine. Does anyone has experience with it?
Yes, unplugging it will produce a code.
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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #4 on: 15 June 2007, 14:46:00 »

ive done the 2.2 diesel but that EGR was easy to get to;

take off intake pipe, take off vac pipe, take off 2 securing bolts (star shaped); and teh EGR comes off... just cleaned it with a degreaser/gunk & carb cleaner.... but you can only clean the plunger part of it.

i was told taking off the vac pipe disables the EGR but it doesnt; makes car rev rough and EML lights up.

the EGR i have you cant blank off either as the plunger is in the way...
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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #5 on: 16 June 2007, 13:31:52 »

Thanks guys!

I think it must be located somewhere else on the diesel. I just tried to remove it but it seems impossible. I think I will have to remove the camcover.  :-[ It is fixed by two torx one of them came off easily, but the other one is completely behind the engine, nearly unreacheable. I give it a try again, but I have to figure out how to reach it. :(

Tanks again
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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #6 on: 17 June 2007, 09:32:24 »

Hi,

Finally I managed to clean the EGR. I do not know if it is in interest of anyone, but I thought I post my experience and the steps how to clean the EGR on a 2.2 petrol Omega. The EGR valve is located on the right side of the engine (if you are facing with the car) at the back of the engine (close to the passanger area above the exhaust manifold). It is fixed by two torx bolts. Only try to disassemble it if the engine is cold!!! The steps for disassembling are the following ones:
1. Remove the connector of the ignition module (connector at the back of the engine at the end of the black cover with the ECOTEC writing)  
2. Remove the igniton module cover by pushing it backwards (black plastic with ECOTEC sign)
3. Remove the ignition module itself (two torx bolts)
4. The EGR can be seen at the back of the enigine on the right side (black round box with a connector at the top)
5. Remove the connector of the EGR and move the leads out of the way
6. Now this is the hard part, the EGR is fixed by two torx bolts, one of them is locted at the right side, the other one is behind the EGR - very hard to reach (I used WD40 to loosen the bolts, it helped)
7. Remove the two bolts and then you should be able to remove the EGR, be careful not to loose the gasket.
8. Clean the EGR (with degreaser)
9. And now just put it together following the steps above it the other way around.
10. Job is done.

I hope it helps.
Mbraz
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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #7 on: 18 June 2007, 17:28:27 »

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Hi,

Finally I managed to clean the EGR. I do not know if it is in interest of anyone, but I thought I post my experience and the steps how to clean the EGR on a 2.2 petrol Omega. The EGR valve is located on the right side of the engine (if you are facing with the car) at the back of the engine (close to the passanger area above the exhaust manifold). It is fixed by two torx bolts. Only try to disassemble it if the engine is cold!!! The steps for disassembling are the following ones:
1. Remove the connector of the ignition module (connector at the back of the engine at the end of the black cover with the ECOTEC writing)  
2. Remove the igniton module cover by pushing it backwards (black plastic with ECOTEC sign)
3. Remove the ignition module itself (two torx bolts)
4. The EGR can be seen at the back of the enigine on the right side (black round box with a connector at the top)
5. Remove the connector of the EGR and move the leads out of the way
6. Now this is the hard part, the EGR is fixed by two torx bolts, one of them is locted at the right side, the other one is behind the EGR - very hard to reach (I used WD40 to loosen the bolts, it helped)
7. Remove the two bolts and then you should be able to remove the EGR, be careful not to loose the gasket.
8. Clean the EGR (with degreaser)
9. And now just put it together following the steps above it the other way around.
10. Job is done.

I hope it helps.
Mbraz


Thanks for that, copied into the Maintenance Guides section :y
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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #8 on: 18 June 2007, 18:50:40 »

I am surprised that de-greaser cleaned it, it tends not to touch carbon (which is what will be in it due to the exhaust fumes)......a better bet would be to use paint stripper....
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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #9 on: 18 June 2007, 19:38:48 »

OK you guys. I've racked my brain but can't work it out. What on earth is an EGR :-[
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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #10 on: 18 June 2007, 20:12:29 »

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OK you guys. I've racked my brain but can't work it out. What on earth is an EGR :-[

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exhaust_gas_recirculation for some general (not omega specific) info on this

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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #11 on: 18 June 2007, 20:34:18 »

Thanks, I think :-/ Well, I did ask didn't I, that'll teach me.
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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #12 on: 18 June 2007, 21:43:47 »

What symptoms led you to clean the EGR in the first place - and did it fix it? :-?

(I have same engine and am ever curious)
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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #13 on: 18 June 2007, 22:09:19 »

Interesting and useful thread this. I have a feeling I shall have to find and attempt to clean the EGR on my girlfriend's car now...

Does anyone understand this line:  or know that the environmental impact of EGR's outweigh the NOx emission reductions from the wiki article?

I don't get it, does the EGR increase CO2 o/p whilst decreasing NOxes? Guess it might do if you're 'burning' some stuff that's already been through once...

Is the system on the Omega doing the thing mentioned about not operating at idle or full load, or is it of a simpler variety?

What symptoms would I notice if it were well clogged? We've had the 'running rich 'cos of a nakked CTS' thing for some while until just last week, so I'd guess that will have sooted up all sorts of things.  :(

Edit: Forgot to say, nice avatar chopsdad!
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Re: How to clean the EGR on 2.2i
« Reply #14 on: 19 June 2007, 09:23:58 »

I dont think the wikipedia article explains it that well as its missing some of the fundamentals.......so, here goes...

NOx is a bit of a nasty, particularly in cities where the levels can get pretty high so its good to lower it.

You need to consider the fact that when burning any fuel you use the fuel and oxygen to produce the energy but, there is more than just oxygen in air (as we all know).....one of the other elements is Nitrogen and its this that causes the issue.

Under high temperatures and pressure, the Nitrogen reacts with oxygen in the air to produce NOx and a combustion engien has both high temp and high pressure!

So, what can we do to reduce it.

One option is to reduce the pressure by reducing the compression ratio but, this goes against the principle that for most efficient combustion and max power output we want the highest compression ratio possible. This technique (and the use of a more advanced spark and injection control system) was used on the 2.6 and 3.2 engines on the Omega which have a lower compression ratio than the 2.5 and 3.0.....spot the EGR valve on them.....

The other option is to reduce the combustion temperature.....and this is where the EGR system comes in.

Remember that if we want to add anything to the fuel air mix that wont affect the engines running it needs to be inert (i.e. it wont interfere) with respect to the engines operation.....so it must not have any oxygen in it or any fuel.......

Now we know that if the engine is running as it should be then there should be no oxygen or fuel in the exhaust gases (a reasonable assumption as its controlled by the lambda sensors in the exhausts) and hence we can consider the exhaust gases to be inert in this case.

So.....what next.....well

If we take some inert exhaust gases and re-inject them into the inlet we are effetively filling each cylinder on each cycle with something it cant burn which in turn lowers the percentage of fuel air mix in the cylinder.......this gives what is effectively a reduction in the cc of the engine (not an exact way to view it by any means but simple enough to understand) but, more importantly, means that less heat is produced as less fuel air mix is burnt and hence less NOx.

So, to complete the understanding, lets consider some of the throttle position scenarios

Idle - Closed throttle and very little fuel air mix getting in, the engine is barely running and just about has enough energy to overcome the internal losses and drive the ancillaries. If we open the EGR at this point the idle valve would need to open much further to stop the engine stalling and the engine would run rough......and this rough running can be a classic symptom of a stuck EGR valve. To test this the best approach is to use a diag tool to actuate the EGR whilst the engine is idling and listen for the poor running (it IS noticeable), some may have seen me do this using tech2 in the lakes.

Full throttle - WOT (Wide Open Throttle) This is where we want max go, we dont want our fuel air mix contaminated with an inert gas we want max grunt and hence the valve should be closed here also.....this is about the only time you will see a benefit from blanking off a working and not leaking EGR valve....when booting it the throttle response can be slightly improved.

All other throttle positions - the ECU will vary the amount of exhaust gas inserted by modulating the valve and this is likely to be at a maximum when cruising.

Do be aware though that on the Omega power plants the level of EGR is not huge unlike later Vx engines (and most other manufacturers) where blanking off an EGR valve can actualy be detected by the MAF and that the above applies to petrol engines, diesels run EGR very differently!

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