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So called 25 BHP+ Mods ??
« on: 29 July 2007, 22:51:32 »

What are these 25+BHP mods advertised on Ebay,...some sort of "piggyback resistor" NOT a chip as they mention apparently.
Do they work and what is the resulting trade off. ?   Equally...are they bad for the engine or ECU.

The ad's say thet are fine but it kinda seems too good to be true....
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Re: So called 25 BHP+ Mods ??
« Reply #1 on: 29 July 2007, 22:56:09 »

Apart from proper chipping, nothing can extract 25bhp from the Omega without major re-working of engine breathing cam timing etc... definitely not HT leads resistors or fuel line magnets.

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Re: So called 25 BHP+ Mods ??
« Reply #2 on: 29 July 2007, 23:07:06 »

If you want a chip that will give around 10% increase then contact M-Tek on here ;)
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Re: So called 25 BHP+ Mods ??
« Reply #3 on: 29 July 2007, 23:07:09 »

If it's not a chip I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

The resistors work by fooling the ECU into thinking the incoming air is cooler than it really is, giving a little more fuel and ignition advance. It won't make a significant difference to performance but would knacker your fuel consumption, IMO. In any case, fuelling and timing are under control by the ECU based on feedback from the Lambda sensors and the knock sensors so chances are the ECU would actually just learn different corrections and continue to run the car as it was after a while. You might even end up with a fault light and limp-home mode if you take the corrections out of their allowed range.

A replacement chip will contain different maps for fuel and timing and will give a slight improvement. Still nowhere near 25 BHP IMHO, and you need to ensure you get exactly the right chip for your ECU and engine. I'd speak to m-tek on here rather than getting one off ebay. That way you've got some support and some confidence that you're actually being sold the right thing.

Normally aspirated engines simply can't be chip tuned in the same way that turbo diesel engines can, yet people make the same kind of claims about the results.  >:(

If you really want to tune a normally aspirated engine you've got to get more air through it. This means ensuring the induction and exhaust systems are spot on (on the V6 the induction system is reckoned to be very good, exhaust manifolds are poor) and then moving on to porting the cylinder heads, changing the cams (fitting 3.0 cams to a 2.5 is a good upgrade) and perhaps upping the compression ratio. It's not a cheap business and there aren't any cheap solutions. You're up against the laws of physics, I'm afraid.

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Re: So called 25 BHP+ Mods ??
« Reply #4 on: 29 July 2007, 23:16:00 »

Thank you for your advice.....I'll heed them.

Tis just that these guys make some pretty wild claims..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/25BHP-Power-Mod-Chip-VAUXHALL-corsa-astra-vectra-omega_W0QQitemZ150146544083QQihZ005QQcategoryZ32094QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Re: So called 25 BHP+ Mods ??
« Reply #5 on: 29 July 2007, 23:22:15 »

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Thank you for your advice.....I'll heed them.

Tis just that these guys make some pretty wild claims..

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/25BHP-Power-Mod-Chip-VAUXHALL-corsa-astra-vectra-omega_W0QQitemZ150146544083QQihZ005QQcategoryZ32094QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

They need to make up their mind about the actual BHP increase - they claim 25BHP but then give rolling road 'test results' which range from +6BHP to +15BHP... so where's the 25BHP increase then?
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Re: So called 25 BHP+ Mods ??
« Reply #6 on: 29 July 2007, 23:26:57 »

I've read the EBay ad and it's all a load of horse manure, believe me.

For example, they show a power curve allegedly showing their BHP gains. BHP versus RPM.

I have never seen a power curve that shape. It'd be a pretty sick engine that produces the same power at 2,000 RPM as it does at 5,000 RPM. I suspect he's actually got a torque curve but labelled it as a power curve. Shows how much he knows. For anyone who knew the first thing about engine tuning that would ring alarm bells immediately.

You've only got to look at the other items on his feedback.. Stop smoking... Established turnkey website business... Acne relief- better than Clearasil!.. He's clearly a snake oil specialist LOL
 
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