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« Reply #15 on: 23 October 2007, 21:25:57 »

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Very good. But very low speed. Our lads would blow that out of the sky while it was f*cking around. :y

I thought the very same  ::) no good displaying what a aircraft can do, then after the display, you don't disclose that............ only this display pilot can fly it  ::) that's had a billion hours in practice for the show, so....... if all you countries that we wish you would buy it, you'll have to put your (no flying hours) pilots into, it that will crash and burn  ::) and us ruskies are quids in  ;D (more vodka vladimere)
$26 million , red smoke is extra   :'(

Jeeeeeez  ::) what does it matter who's got what  :question everybody is gonna get nuked anyway  :-[
As soon as the siren goes off........... mines a Carlsberg

Carlsberg do'nt do nuke's  ::) but if they did  ::) they'd probably be the best........................................   ;D

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« Reply #16 on: 23 October 2007, 22:53:35 »

Brilliant

And no the harrier would not live with it, not even the new American plane based on the the harrier we gave them, and we stopped developing. And the Americans cant even keep clean so stealth is out the window.

Thier camera technology was brilliant also guess who is using it.

Thier air conditioning brilliant and 1/5th the size of the American one, guess who is using it in the Shuttle.

Russia as a country has really been abused over the past decade, is it about to change hopefully if only to ballance the bloody American idiots.
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« Reply #17 on: 24 October 2007, 00:57:41 »

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And no the harrier would not live with it, not even the new American plane based on the the harrier we gave them, and we stopped developing. And the Americans cant even keep clean so stealth is out the window.

Thier camera technology was brilliant also guess who is using it.

Thier air conditioning brilliant and 1/5th the size of the American one, guess who is using it in the Shuttle.

Russia as a country has really been abused over the past decade, is it about to change hopefully if only to ballance the bloody American idiots.


Yep, Putin's such a nice chap....

Why have they started up the Cold War Tupolev Bear patrols again?


Feel far safer with the Yanks, at least with them What You See Is What You Get.
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« Reply #18 on: 24 October 2007, 04:33:14 »

Vectored Thrust is the next coming things in fighter planes (has been for a while now), same principal as the Harrier but the thrust angle is very subtle compared to the harrier's 90 degrees and used constantly in flight as opposed for mainly in take-offs and landings. Die Hard 4 shows a fictional version of this, where this idea is taken to an extreme and the Vectored Thrust plane is flown like a helicopter... the Russians were always better than the west in metalorgy which means they had better engines because their metals could withstand higher temperatures and pressures (the Mig-25 is still unbeatable in terms of ceiling and speed for a fighter aircraft), but they are seriously legging behind on sophisticated avionics and in R&D funds. Still the main problem for the West is not the quality, but the quantity... the West can never match the quantity of war machines the Chinese can put on the land, see and in the air. Let's hope it does not get to that...
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« Reply #19 on: 24 October 2007, 09:27:03 »

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..would you really say that if you were sitting in an armoured car on an Iraq battlefield with a yank A10 circling above.. :(  bunch of cowboys
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« Reply #20 on: 24 October 2007, 10:16:12 »

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..would you really say that if you were sitting in an armoured car on an Iraq battlefield with a yank A10 circling above.. :(  bunch of cowboys

Not a fair comment, IMHO

Yes, the US military attracts some pretty gung-ho types that wouldn't get passed the first interview for the RAF, etc., but that wasn't my point.

At least I know what US policy is, even if I may disagree with it... As far as some other states are concerned, I have no idea what they're doing, other than flogging technology to other states whose aims are far from pleasant.    
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« Reply #21 on: 24 October 2007, 10:25:02 »

This is taking an interesting turn...

Personally, I disagree with the US on many issues, and yes their wars are not merely motivated by altruism. But history shows that there has always been at least one major superpower influencing the rest of the world, from the times of the Romans through to Queen Victoria's British Empire, so if we must have one powerful nation around I would rather have the Yanks than the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, etc (or the Germans, for that matter)... no European country on its own is strong enough these days to take this role, and the EU as a whole is not a state (yet..) and anyway very divided over both foreign and domestic policies. In an ideal world we wouldn't need them, but as things stand give me the yanks every time...

Pointing fingers at them seem very common these days, but what's the alternative?






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Martin_1962

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« Reply #22 on: 24 October 2007, 11:15:55 »

So how does the MiG25 compare to say a Lightning in performance?
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« Reply #23 on: 24 October 2007, 11:32:08 »

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So how does the MiG25 compare to say a Lightning in performance?

From memory the MIG25 does Mach 3.0+ and 60k+ feet.... it was built to intercept the U2. The U2 still flies higher, but it was within the Mig25 missile range. The lightening was slightly lower than that, I'll have to goole it to be more precise.



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« Reply #25 on: 24 October 2007, 11:46:45 »

no intention to be unfair NB - sorry if it came over that way.

I'm no expert on US policy but I do have pretty sceptical opinion about media management/manipulation and the like.   I also have no doubt that the US (and ourselves for that matter) sell munitions etc to a multitude of dubious places.
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« Reply #26 on: 24 October 2007, 12:11:51 »

This reminds me... in 1999, following the 1996 Dunblane massacre where 16 children and a teacher were killed by Thomas Hamilton using legally-owned pistols and revolvers, the government decided to outlaw private ownership of handguns.  

They collected from the public a few thousand legally-owned handguns, and paid-out compensation to the owners to value of the recovered items. This operation did cost a pretty penny, the government estimated it at around £150,000 but some say the actual cost was nearer the £500,00 mark.

The point is that they had to decide what to do with the recovered handguns... some were memorabilia items, but most were used by owners for sporting purposes e.g. shooting matches and as such were quite expensive.

The problem was that what the government had on their hands was a collection of different make and models of second-hand handguns, and such such these were unsuitable for any law-enforcement or military use, and could be not be sold to a sovereign government. It was obvious that if the handguns get flogged to arms dealer (albeit legitimate arms dealers), it is inevitable that some of them will eventually be used for criminal activities in another part of the world.

So the government decided that rather than try and sell the handguns and re-coop some of the compensation pay-out costs, the recovered firearms should all be destroyed, and so they were.

Who says there is no morals in politics?





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« Reply #27 on: 24 October 2007, 12:28:13 »

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Found it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mig-25

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Electric_Lightning


Poor G loadings, quicker, but not that much usably quicker, slightly higher ceiling as standard, but a worse range than a Lightning :o :o

Interesting though
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« Reply #28 on: 24 October 2007, 12:35:26 »

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Found it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mig-25

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Electric_Lightning


Poor G loadings, quicker, but not that much usably quicker, slightly higher ceiling as standard, but a worse range than a Lightning :o :o

Interesting though

In reality, the Mig-25s were a bugger to intercept... though the Israelis shot down a Syrian one in 1982, much of it due to pure luck.









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