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[omegalord]

As an example, the road service have recently re-surfaced a road just outside work and it had been finished with that very fine gravel, at 20mph in 3rd I can floor it and spin the rear wheels all the way upto 50mph   good fun (well I am putting new boots on Saturday) a mate at work tried it with his Passat Tdi (130) but can only get his wheels to spin in first (yeah I know front wheel drive, weight etc)

The torque is best in second and third, you really feel it even if it is only for a short time  

I understand that after M-Tek has had a play with it, it will be the right side of 150bhp and torque upto about 330! with a slight increase in the mpg  

How do you mean? , the power band isnt that small surely?

[JamesV6CDX]

Why would i want a 2.0 or 2.2 4 pot when they obviously have little torque low down acompared to a turbo diesel?

Yes, I suppose so. I have owned a 2.0 and a 2.5 and, to be honest, in everyday driving, there wasn't that much to choose between them. It's a matter of personal preference I guess.

Steve, now now...

Can you really rate a 2.0 4pot, in a simelar league to that lovely V6 that you an I both know so well?    

[STMO123]

Why would i want a 2.0 or 2.2 4 pot when they obviously have little torque low down acompared to a turbo diesel?

Yes, I suppose so. I have owned a 2.0 and a 2.5 and, to be honest, in everyday driving, there wasn't that much to choose between them. It's a matter of personal preference I guess.

Steve, now now...

Can you really rate a 2.0 4pot, in a simelar league to that lovely V6 that you an I both know so well?    

I said "in everyday driving"

[omegaman2]

 i have  the 2.2dti and tow a caravan with it ,it will sit at60 @2000rpm all day long but if you need a burst for nipping past a 56mph lorry its more than able ....too easy in fact that you will hit 70 quickly and not notice it (oops) i would not swap this car for all the booze in tesco,s and thats saying something .On another point the service ints on the 2.5 are rubbish  go for the 2.2

[geoff]

me personally would go for the 2.5 as it is a bmw unit and very very reliable,not to say that the 2.2 isn't cos it is,but 2.5 bmw is very good

[geoff]

Why would i want a 2.0 or 2.2 4 pot when they obviously have little torque low down acompared to a turbo diesel?

Yes, I suppose so. I have owned a 2.0 and a 2.5 and, to be honest, in everyday driving, there wasn't that much to choose between them. It's a matter of personal preference I guess.

Steve, now now...

Can you really rate a 2.0 4pot, in a simelar league to that lovely V6 that you an I both know so well?    

I said "in everyday driving"

nothing wrong with the 4 potter i still get 45mpg on motorway and 25-30mpg round town,with 160,000  on the clock and 12 years old not bad for age

[davlad22]

me personally would go for the 2.5 as it is a bmw unit and very very reliable,not to say that the 2.2 isn't cos it is,but 2.5 bmw is very good

Ppfffff! Reliable!?! Not sure about that!?! A car which needs its oil changing every 4-5000 miles these days I feel is just a joke frankly!

In comparison, our 130k DTi has not had one single engine problem in all its life (*touches wood*). It is quite fast enough and soars to 100mph (officer  ) with no problem whatsoever. The diesel is noisy from startup but settles down lovely after about 20mins of driving and when warm, cruising @ 60/70 it is just as quiet as any modern car (probably quiter)  The BMW unit is OLD technology compared to alot of the newer diesels.

Our friendly government really does make it very difficult for anyone to own a big engined car anymore. YES, the V6 petrol suits the car much better and it still doesn't seem quite right having such an agricultural engine in such a large cruiser but I would still find it very difficult to justify 25-30mpg from the petrols. You should see 48mpg from the 2.2 if steady, plus with the later engine you will be getting a newer car and not something that is perhaps going to need alot of money spending and will still go rusty.  

[omegalord]

Yeah. I think i am going to go for the 2.2dti and just have it chipped. Then i can drive it normal most of the time and when its fully laden i will have the extra poke for up banks etc

Cheers for all the replies.

Matt

[Paul M]

me personally would go for the 2.5 as it is a bmw unit and very very reliable,not to say that the 2.2 isn't cos it is,but 2.5 bmw is very good

I think you're opening a can of worms with that one!

The 2.5TD is an old unit, nothing like the newer BMW TDs which are amongst the best available in terms of performance and refinement -- I wouldn't say no to a 335d coupe mated to a 6-speed box. Can't speak for reliability though, I have no idea.

Personally I'm much happier with my dual fuel 3.0, much smoother and more powerful than either the TD or DTI, and cheaper to run too. I'd consider a modern diesel but not either of the rather agricultural units that are available in the Omega.

[davlad22]

^^^^^^^^^^^^
Our standard car pulls a reasonably heavy box van trailer 85% of it's life and as mentioned before, cruises lovely @ 60mph (2000rpm). Hills are not a problem and you don't really need to drop a gear to overtake. M-Tek Performance in hull are the guys to deal with (member on here  ) special deal at the moment also, usual upgrade is to around 147bhp iirc. Supposed to be better fuel economy also.

The 2.2DTi also has about the same torque figure as the 3.2 V6 petrol which makes it feel quite gutsy. Cruise control is where it's at though  

[omegalord]

Is yours an 2.2 dti auto? , if so is it smooth?

Matt

[davlad22]

^^^^^^^^^^^
That's the catch sire!.....2.2DTi is only available as a manual! The 2.5 was available as both a manual and auto. Still wouldn't have one though. As Paul says, they're old hat now.

[davlad22]

Smooth, yes, it's as smooth as you drive it, it's an omega after all! It needs time to warm up, after which, yes, power delivery is smooth in all gears.

[Martin_1962]

I'm with Paul - dual fuel V6

[Omegatoy]

not gonna get involved as to which is the best of the 2 engines but, what i will say is i bought my 2.5 for a reason and while it was ok it was a  disapointment   till i looked into it and found just how much vauxhall had strangled it so as to make their, cheap gearboxs last for a while!!!
Yes it may be old tech type engine but believe it or not it is fairly bullet proof when looked after with oil changes, however the whole point of this post is to say
the difference between a chipped 2.5 and a std 2.5 is amazing so before you make a decision try both, and the difference between a chipped 2.5 and a chipped 2.2 is a whole differnt ball game!!! dont know where your located but if you want to try mine your more than welcome and i can assure you you wont be disappointed fuel consumption? well normal everyday driving on amixture of a and b roads back and forwards o work it regularly clocks around 44,48 if i am in no hurry, towing a twin axle 5 berth caravan it clocks 29mpg, and the engine is damn smooth compared to the fourpot, so oil changes aside there really isnt a lot wrong with it apart from vauxhall meddling!!!
Omegtoy